HSE don’t ban very much at all, I’m afraid. We live in a country with a goal seeking legislative system, not a prescriptive one and I’m fairly sure that’s a good thing.
HSE do ban employers subjecting employees to excessive risk though, which is pretty much what you claim for belly clipping.
Not difficult to have quiet cattle though for tagging in situ, it just needs some effort. Or have a penning and handling system that allows safe separation.
Not that HSE have banned going into pens with cattle though - that was just the second hand reported specific (possibly uninformed or misunderstood) opinion of one inspector, based on one specific set of circumstances on one farm.
Seems arse about face to me. They should be doubling down on walkers that insist on using footpaths with livestock in them surely ? Farmers should have adequate signs pointing out which fields have livestock in, but apparently, this is " Admitting liability ".
I always thought this was advice. But it seems they're doubling down on cows with calves in fields with footpaths.
I saw that, and can't say I was impressed with the news reports but now see that HSE press office have themselves not done as well as they could. It's probably worth having a very good read of the HSE guidance if that sort of thing affects you: https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/ais17ew.pdf
I always thought this was advice. But it seems they're doubling down on cows with calves in fields with footpaths.
That would be my assumption. But I have no idea of the facts.I wonder if there is perhaps a bit more to the story than they were able to report (previous problems, bad choice of fields, wild cattle etc.). I certainly won't be restricting my placid animals from being in RoW fields though, although I might think twice to calf down in one of them.
Yes and no. Is it not the case that they are not fields with a RoW on it so much as a RoW with a field over it?Seems arse about face to me. They should be doubling down on walkers that insist on using footpaths with livestock in them surely ?
Worth pointing out that this is 100% wrong (although widely believed to be true), and the HSE guidance (link above) specifically encourages signage.Farmers should have adequate signs pointing out which fields have livestock in, but apparently, this is " Admitting liability ".
As the field was almost certainly there before the ROW, I’d say it’s a field with a ROW over it.Yes and no. Is it not the case that they are not fields with a RoW on it so much as a RoW with a field over it?
It's something I read on here, not something I've made up. But I was reading it on a legal rather than historic basis.As the field was almost certainly there before the ROW, I’d say it’s a field with a ROW over it.
Mostly follow the field boundaries here ( thankfully ), so I guess fields were here first.As the field was almost certainly there before the ROW, I’d say it’s a field with a ROW over it.
thats exactly it, people using the row should do so with caution, if they see livestock then they should proceed at their own risk, if they dont like it walk around a reservoir or the park where they are no animals.Seems arse about face to me. They should be doubling down on walkers that insist on using footpaths with livestock in them surely ? Farmers should have adequate signs pointing out which fields have livestock in, but apparently, this is " Admitting liability ".
Folk wouldn’t expect to be safe on a motorway just because there is a right of waythats exactly it, people using the row should do so with caution, if they see livestock then they should proceed at their own risk, if they dont like it walk around a reservoir or the park where they are no animals.
Like most you missed out the most important word of that phrase " responsibly "The phrase " Right to roam " has a lot to answer for. Anyway......off topic.....ish.
How are about turning our attitude to HSE on its head, and welcoming their support. Rather than asking yourself, what can you get away with, ask yourself how can HSE help you do things better/safer.
How about a level playing field?There were 25 fatalities on farms last year, and from what I understand, even more this year. These deaths are preventable. And this headline figure masks the number of serious injuries.
We've all taken risks and gotten away with them, and then repeated these risky actions because we've got away with them before.
How are about turning our attitude to HSE on its head, and welcoming their support. Rather than asking yourself, what can you get away with, ask yourself how can HSE help you do things better/safer.
Most farms that I know that take a proactive approach to health and safety also appear to be highly efficiently run farms. Safe working practices go hand in hand with good business.
Lecture over.
Over 100 farming suicides every year in the U.K. , many also preventableThere were 25 fatalities on farms last year, and from what I understand, even more this year. These deaths are preventable. And this headline figure masks the number of serious injuries.
That is a heck of a lotOver 100 farming suicides every year in the U.K. , many also preventable