I hate modern tractors

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
By far the best tractor (in my eyes, if not those of son & staff) is the Deutz DX6.11 Agrostar. A proper machine with gear sticks and levers. No poncey stuff like sensors monitoring steering angles (do you hear me JD?) or even water cooling the engine.
Sure buy a 6.61 then and itl be fit for lots of jobs
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Sure buy a 6.61 then and itl be fit for lots of jobs

Actually it is a 6.61 … although I had to go & find it on Parris Tractor’s website


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Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Yep agreed,I think the sweet spot was about 15 years ago.I wouldn’t want to go back before very quiet cabs,powershuttle gearboxes,air conditioning and comfy seats,but since then it’s been mainly more electronics and emission stuff.It’s the electronics and emission stuff that creates most of the problems.Only run 1 newish one here now,the others are 12 years old at least and will be staying a lot longer for this reason.
No matter when it was or how old you are as long as you are over 30, the ‘sweet spot’ was always 15 years ago. It’s a symptom of being human and ageing. I well remember my father looking at a new MF165 at a show and judging the ‘finish’ of the paint and thickness of the sheet metal and saying the same old phrase that is repeated perennially, ‘they don’t make them like they used to’. To which I almost always retort with ‘Thank God!'
 
Pfft … new ones in the HP we buy are now well north of £150k and climbing rapidly. Can get quite a lot of repairs for the differential between a new one and a 5k hr one

Only trouble is, the buggers break down when you use them ... Except Fastracs that don’t even need to be used

Cripes man, an operation like yours can't afford to be running around with kit needing fixing. Loaders, tractors, the works, financed carefully and bought new or nearly new. If you can't justify any of it then I'd suggest very few people can justify them either.

Look at the all the contractors: show me any man amongst them running older gear, virtually none of them. Who pays for the contractors- the dairy farmers like yourself!

Work out what jobs you can and will do yourself, have the very minimum amount of gear to do them and work them hard but have a crew of people that look after them and fettle them in the winter, going through everything carefully. And work with dealers that can give you absolute backup.

Never forget working at my friend's place: feeder wagon broke down, big fudge with bells on top, troughs all just recently emptied, too. Within not much time at all, 2 fitters arrived in a van, helped us fork out the grub and got to work, wagon was going again by lunchtime. That is service and that is what is needed. (y)
 
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melted welly

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Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Hired a used NH t7.210, was a bit of a delay getting it as it threw up an emissions error prior to collection and derated itself. Owner later phoned to say it was ready, apologised for the delay and said it wouldn’t be happening again as he’d just deleted the feckin adblue from the system so it’d be even cheaper to hire.

That’s the sort of attitude that gets things done 🤣
 

Chips

Member
Location
Shropshire
No matter when it was or how old you are as long as you are over 30, the ‘sweet spot’ was always 15 years ago. It’s a symptom of being human and ageing. I well remember my father looking at a new MF165 at a show and judging the ‘finish’ of the paint and thickness of the sheet metal and saying the same old phrase that is repeated perennially, ‘they don’t make them like they used to’. To which I almost always retort with ‘Thank God!'
Complelty agree, look how everyone craves for the JD7810 or NH 7840 now, yet at the time i can remember everyone's horror of having electric linkage control and dashboards and how they'll be worthless in a few years as no one will be able to fix them !
 

icanshootwell

Member
Location
Ross-on-wye
Pfft … new ones in the HP we buy are now well north of £150k and climbing rapidly. Can get quite a lot of repairs for the differential between a new one and a 5k hr one

Only trouble is, the buggers break down when you use them ... Except Fastracs that don’t even need to be used
Do you buy a new Tele handler?
 

daveydiesel1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
Here she is in all her glory ...

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Truth is, my tractor days are behind me and the men won't use her if there's an alternative so I should probably sell her on. Be a sad day though as I'm getting fed up with writing the bills for the JDs ... and don't mention the Fastrac
" and the men wont use her if there's an alternative" , theres your answer right there! No1 in thier right mind would want to drive an all levers machine all day for days on end over something with all the gadgets that make a long day more bearable, its ok giving off about the electrics when theyv broke down but when theyr working its much more preferable than a manual yoke
 
Here she is in all her glory ...

View attachment 1110390

Truth is, my tractor days are behind me and the men won't use her if there's an alternative so I should probably sell her on. Be a sad day though as I'm getting fed up with writing the bills for the JDs ... and don't mention the Fastrac
I agree with you on this.
We bought a 850 hr valtra that would show an error code and shut down, tried new sensors and regens but ended up with add blue removed and a remap 😱
Keep your duetz for when you want it 😁
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
" and the men wont use her if there's an alternative" , theres your answer right there! No1 in thier right mind would want to drive an all levers machine all day for days on end over something with all the gadgets that make a long day more bearable, its ok giving off about the electrics when theyv broke down but when theyr working its much more preferable than a manual yoke

They‘re used to autotrac, in cab fridges and a DAB radio.

If I asked them to spread fert at 12m without any guidance, they’d faint.

Anyway, tbh modern tractors are great … but far too many unnecessary electrics and gubbins that you don’t really need and can cause no end of bother
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Cripes man, an operation like yours can't afford to be running around with kit needing fixing. Loaders, tractors, the works, financed carefully and bought new or nearly new. If you can't justify any of it then I'd suggest very few people can justify them, either.

Look at the all the contractors: show me any man amongst them running older gear, virtually none of them. Who pays for the contractors- the dairy farmers like yourself!

Work out what jobs you can and will do yourself, have the very minimum amount of gear to do them and work them hard but have a crew of people that look after them and fettle them in the winter, going through everything carefully. And work with dealers that can give you absolute backup.

Never forget working at my friend's place: feeder wagon broke down, big fudge with bells on top, troughs all just recently emptied, too. Within not much time at all, 2 fitters arrived in a van, helped us fork out the grub and got to work, wagon was going again by lunchtime. That is service and that is what is needed. (y)

There are many reasons why we tend to do most stuff “in house” and tbh I’m just ranting because a breakdown is often something stupid like a sensor monitoring something I think is unnecessary and it is impossible to buy any modern tractor (or implement) that isn’t stuffed with electronics - I don’t know how many control boxes dangle off the windows of the 2 prime tractors

Contractors are a whole thread on its own
 

Smith31

Member
Yes, 2 and a bit years ago.
6000hrs on it now

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Surprised to find it parked up tbh but it is Sunday I suppose
With respect, there's your issue your staff aren't looking after your machinery. The sensors,brakes, filters, electrics etc etc will all be caked in mud.

You're running kit worth hundreds of thousands of pounds you need to have staff training, protocols and procedures in place or you will be peeing money away on repairs, been there done that.
 

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