If they ban Glyphosate

[Grassman]

if glyphosate is banned then the eu will have to ban the importation of food products produced with production systems that use it

In an ideal world yes but can you see that happening?

 

[SilliamWhale]

In an ideal world yes but can you see that happening?

But if its carcinogenic it will have to surely? Its a health issue not a trade issue

 

[Farfrae]

http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3...accord-on-license-for-weed-killer-glyphosate/

 

[rob1]

if glyphosate is banned then the eu will have to ban the importation of food products produced with production systems that use it

Did I see a pig fly over then

 

[richard hammond]

But if its carcinogenic it will have to surely? Its a health issue not a trade issue

The day I was born my life expectance would have been X, since 1960 we have banned some quite aweful agchems from our food chain production.
I am not a scientist or even very clever person , but I bet the LD50 of glyphosate which by the way I have not even bothered to check is quite a high figure!!
I was also told toothpaste was carcinogenic about 20years ago but hey I still have got nearly all my own teeth and as of today I am not aware of any BIG C,
and I bet my life expectancy has risen by a few years (well I hope so)
Can the better informed of you let me know how glyphosate has affected me, I would think the 60fags a day could have done me more harm than Glyphosate but they have not banned fags, is this tax related??(by the way I packed up nearly four years ago and my wife said I was a total ??

 

[An Gof]

Don't worry everybody, I'm sure we can rely on the NFU to fight our corner....

No doubt you will consider that a tongue in cheek comment.
From what I hear the NFU are very active on this. Can you tell me if any other UK farmer representative body is doing anything and if so what?

 

[T C]

In this context I would have voted Leave! We could have gained a nice little market advantage by continuing to use it IF CRD relicenced it thenh export the produce to mainland Europe IF they didn't ban us from doing so. Within a few years the rest of the EU would be infested with weeds and reduce production. We'd make a killing manufacturing mechanical weeders too!

This time next year, Rodney...

Would really like to get govt view of this in the event of Brexit - doubt there is any chance that would be too complicated for the debate !!

As I said earlier if it is banned on carcinogenic grounds then the precedent is set - cholothalanil october 2017, epoxiconazole april 2019 will go as well - probably plenty others but both these have "may cause cancer" on the label.
It would be totally hypocritical (or political) to not relicense glyphosphate then relicense ANY other pesticide with "may cause cancer".

Staying in will leave us with an uncertain and non-scientific future when it comes to pesticides.

 

[DrWazzock]

Might as well ban petrol and diesel as well then if we are going down that route. Both are known carcinogens.

It's about risk/benefit trade off. Trouble is a lot of people have lost sight of that.

 

[Daniel]

No doubt you will consider that a tongue in cheek comment.
From what I hear the NFU are very active on this. Can you tell me if any other UK farmer representative body is doing anything and if so what?

Are they? Can you point me to any statements they have made on it?

Their membership is broadly in favour of Brexit yet they have publically endorsed Remain, I don't think they see promoting their members interests as a key priority?

 

[Brisel]

I don't think that's very fair. The membership is divided between In/Out just as TFF members are. I take it you don't share their position?

 

[An Gof]

Are they? Can you point me to any statements they have made on it?

Their membership is broadly in favour of Brexit yet they have publically endorsed Remain, I don't think they see promoting their members interests as a key priority?

Are you wanting to discuss legislation pertaining to Glyphosate or the Referendum?
They are two different issues , although the loss of glyphosate might impact on how some choose to vote in the referendum.

Re public statements, the battle has been won with our government. The problem is in Europe and the the issue changes day by day and even within the day. There's a serious amount of lobbying going on.
Now back to my question to you, tell me who else is working to represent farmers interest on this issue and, as its's important to you, what statements they have issued?

 

[T C]

Might as well ban petrol and diesel as well then if we are going down that route. Both are known carcinogens.

It's about risk/benefit trade off. Trouble is a lot of people have lost sight of that.

The fundamental difference with pesticides is the 10 year license after which renewal criteria has to be met.

 

[Daniel]

Are you wanting to discuss legislation pertaining to Glyphosate or the Referendum?
They are two different issues , although the loss of glyphosate might impact on how some choose to vote in the referendum.

Re public statements, the battle has been won with our government. The problem is in Europe and the the issue changes day by day and even within the day. There's a serious amount of lobbying going on.
Now back to my question to you, tell me who else is working to represent farmers interest on this issue and, as its's important to you, what statements they have issued?

None as far as I know. But I don't pay a sub to anyone else.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

I think your all missing a point here. There isn't to many other ag chemicals that are sold in Bunnings (insert generic major hardware chain or even some supermarkets) that are freely available to joe public that have no appreciation of the correct dosage or the like. There is more chance of a public safety risk from gardeners and the like rather than food contamination from ag usage. Surely reclassifying it so as to take it out of the hands of the general public would make more sense???
note: I have no idea of your usage rules up there. But down here there is no time frame on usage. If i choose to buy a 1000l shuttle because its cheaper in bulk and use it over 4 years that's my choice. Seriously, i'm glad you didn't choose mainland europe as your penal colony

 

[B'o'B]

Are they? Can you point me to any statements they have made on it?

Their membership is broadly in favour of Brexit yet they have publically endorsed Remain, I don't think they see promoting their members interests as a key priority?

A 10 second internet search reviled this from the NFU https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/glyphosate-decision-latest/
The page has other links as well

 

[Daniel]

A 10 second internet search reviled this from the NFU https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/glyphosate-decision-latest/
The page has other links as well

The key line from that:

'The NFU will press for a vote in favour in due course, although there are no indications when any of this will happen yet.'

That inspires confidence!

 

[B'o'B]

I think your all missing a point here. There isn't to many other ag chemicals that are sold in Bunnings (insert generic major hardware chain or even some supermarkets) that are freely available to joe public that have no appreciation of the correct dosage or the like. There is more chance of a public safety risk from gardeners and the like rather than food contamination from ag usage. Surely reclassifying it so as to take it out of the hands of the general public would make more sense???
note: I have no idea of your usage rules up there. But down here there is no time frame on usage. If i choose to buy a 1000l shuttle because its cheaper in bulk and use it over 4 years that's my choice. Seriously, i'm glad you didn't choose mainland europe as your penal colony

Oh be thankful for that. Even if just the registration number on a product changes then after a use-up period (normally between 6-18 months) it becomes illegal to use or even store a can of the old product even if it is identical in every way to a product that is still on sale.

 

[B'o'B]

The key line from that:

'The NFU will press for a vote in favour in due course, although there are no indications when any of this will happen yet.'

That inspires confidence!

Do you think the NFU runs the EU or something? What do you think they should do?

 

[Daniel]

Do you think the NFU runs the EU or something? What do you think they should do?

Demand, in no uncertain terms, that the UK government exercises a veto on any ban and continues to licence its use in UK agriculture.

As pointed out elsewhere, it will still be used outside the EU and the EU isn't about to ban imports of grains/soya etc from the Americas so therefore isn't going to ban any crop exports from us either.

 

[B'o'B]

Demand, in no uncertain terms, that the UK government exercises a veto on any ban and continues to licence its use in UK agriculture.

As pointed out elsewhere, it will still be used outside the EU and the EU isn't about to ban imports of grains/soya etc from the Americas so therefore isn't going to ban any crop exports from us either.

The U.K. Government has no veto on this so I'm not sure that would be a very positive approach to take.