If your putting them out for bale grazing put them on their side with the ends facing north/south
when you have thought about it you can tell me why that is, but it makes sense
bales tied with string shed the wet better than bales tied with net
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
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when you have thought about it you can tell me why that is, but it makes sense
bales tied with string shed the wet better than bales tied with net
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Woohoo! Course complete. I'm a trained Holistic practitioner.
Also graduating were Amy, @Poorbuthappy 's daughter and Bruce Kirk of https://www.greencurvesdesign.com/ , a Keyline landscape designer. His short introduction to the application of the keyline scale of permanence to farm landscape layout was fascinating.
Also graduating were Amy, @Poorbuthappy 's daughter and Bruce Kirk of https://www.greencurvesdesign.com/ , a Keyline landscape designer. His short introduction to the application of the keyline scale of permanence to farm landscape layout was fascinating.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Folks around here in the drier areas (sub 1800mm) will put their hay or baleage out and then get a fert truck to spin on the seed once they're placed, they tend to stick to rows but I would put them more evenly if it were me - I guess they're on the "we must utilise this because it cost $xxx" buzz so they don't aim to put much of it down. Then just tow a harrow bar around with a quad to rattle the seeds in a little and shut the gate, all that's needed is to shoulder the bales over and unwind the net, move the fence.
Pretty simple stuff and doesn't leave TheDreaded Balewrap everywhere, which is scum-of-the-Earth stuff IMO, hate seeing farms with plastic sprouting up
Pretty simple stuff and doesn't leave TheDreaded Balewrap everywhere, which is scum-of-the-Earth stuff IMO, hate seeing farms with plastic sprouting up
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- Owaka, New Zealand
In panties
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Good work!
(I think that's the direction we'll take our land, the permaculture/silvopasture route, it just makes sense)
on the end of leggies
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- Cornwall
Congrats Mr H! I’d like to do some of their courses too. I’m booked on to do the BASIS Quality of Soils advanced module over Dec-Jan. Will be interesting to see how they tackle the concepts of regen ag from their very conventional stand point. The syllabus mentions “conservation agriculture” but not regenerative. I’ll try not to be too controversial!
P.s. are you going to go on to become a trainer/advisor through 3LM?
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
I'm not sure yet. They are trying to build a network of demonstration farms in every UK county and we could be part of that when we move.
The presentation Bruce gave of the work he does in keyline based design in South America got me really interested. He was horrified that we supply our cattle drinking water from the public main (cost and chemical analysis were his concerns). He was shocked at how badly we UK farmers understand our landscapes.
I can see a place for us to use his service when we do buy somewhere.
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- Quebec, Canada
It looks to me as though you startedfeeding at the bottom of the hill, where the water runs down to and possibly puddles. Wouldn’t it be better if you started feeding at the top.? The animals wouldn’t stand in the mud that way. Do you get footrot issues with your management?
Fenwick
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- Bretagne France
Good work!
(I think that's the direction we'll take our land, the permaculture/silvopasture route, it just makes sense)
+1 for the silvopasture. We start planting seriously next year. I'll keep you guys updated of course.
Love the idea of keyline design, which would certainly help up on our dry hill.
But it wouldn't it involve removing hedges and trees and fences? No small undertaking. Useful though if you have a blank sheet as a starting point.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Yep, that's them. Hippies are everywhere if you look.on the end of leggies
Going on from what @holwellcourtfarm was just saying about understanding where our "default landscape settings" are/were, I thought of where cattle/sheep fit in to this:
What do you reckon the Giant moa would weigh in at on the hook (remember it has feathers) compared to a great big bullock?
(Note the lack of electric fencing, tame grass, and wheel marks in photo).
My natural landscape here was probably something like this... tussock, patches of flax and scrub.
It's shocking to calculate the real cost of "putting it back the way it was", it would come to literally thousands per acre
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JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
Well done, I've signed up to the 3 day fundamentals end of this month, plan to finish off by doing the additional 6 days in Feb, so looking forward to it.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
With keyline, it's feasible that rips could start and finish at hedges/walls as long as they keep following the key line - chances are that these will be situated in suitable places as the old farmers weren't as blind to what they had in front of them?+1 for the silvopasture. We start planting seriously next year. I'll keep you guys updated of course.
Love the idea of keyline design, which would certainly help up on our dry hill.
But it wouldn't it involve removing hedges and trees and fences? No small undertaking. Useful though if you have a blank sheet as a starting point.
Many fencelines are on ridges so that's not going to be a problem for you?
What are you planning to plant?
- Location
- Derbyshire UK
Are you feeding those bales to housed cattle or cattle outwintered on your arable stubble? I like the molasses idea.
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
I've wondered about this, any danger of mould forming?
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- Derbyshire UK
Top of the down would be better. No foot problems with cattle, only sheep! Tried setting out in a dry time silage wrapped in evil plastic onto sacrificial sheep overwintering ground. Didn't work with my sheep!
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Goodness Pete, are you a leg or breast man ?Yep, that's them. Hippies are everywhere if you look.
Going on from what @holwellcourtfarm was just saying about understanding where our "default landscape settings" are/were, I thought of where cattle/sheep fit in to this:View attachment 842512
What do you reckon the Giant moa would weigh in at on the hook (remember it has feathers) compared to a great big bullock?
(Note the lack of electric fencing, tame grass, and wheel marks in photo).
My natural landscape here was probably something like this... tussock, patches of flax and scrub.
It's shocking to calculate the real cost of "putting it back the way it was", it would come to literally thousands per acre
wouldn't be as heavy as you think hollow bones but its on two legs but bigger feet to spread the weight
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
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My age getting the better of me He's a seriously interesting bloke to chat to and very enthusiastic. I can think of many uses for his services.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Probably unless the hay was VERY dry......
If it worked though you could use decent bags that would be durable so reducing plastic waste.