"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Henarar

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For example

as we have a plan that has us graze once / twice a year depending on worst case scenarios, there's really no fear running the show.
The animals and pastures will just do what they do and the various ecosystem processes and community dynamics become what they become.

As you said rotational grazing "should" be all that but very seldom is, people look at grass and animals and wonder what's the best thing to do next.
A regen grazier already knows what's next, it'll be something to do with their eyeballs and their brain.

Not their calculator or checking their bank balance as that's all been taken care of, plenty of money and plenty of grass so we look at what put it there - ecosystem processes thanks to enabling them and facilitating them.
Ditto community dynamics and contentment, generosity.

Did anything stand out as different from last time and what's different from last time. Curiosity - what's that butterfly? Why did the stock make that track? Why did they scrape over there?

What's the "worst" bit of the paddock and why is it worst, to whom, why would I think it's the worst bit? Is it because of something? A story I heard, the bank balance, what the neighbours think? What are we missing?

There's not the opportunity for some of those habits to form in a rotational grazier because they are too busy working or finding out information and opinions and agreement from others who are struggling and stuck with what to do next - a chronic problem that doesn't present any different to anyone else's.

Stuck, is stuck
Stop trying to force things and just let them happen cos its surprising how often they do
 

Kiwi Pete

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It's actually hard to articulate it in any meaningful way but I can tell the difference when I "slip" into rotational grazing again, because I find there's no confidence... ?

It feels like a compromise somehow, even if it's within the context it feels off or edgy, or like there's an 'in order to'.

I need to put this mob "somewhere" in order to.. what
 

Kiwi Pete

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Stop trying to force things and just let them happen cos its surprising how often they do
Yes there is definitely that part.

Loosen up, but not so loose that you're then at the effect of it all, the weather, the grass growth, the money, the market.

Still need to be intentional and 'cause in the matter' or the default is being 'at the effect of', a place with less freedom.

It's a distinctly different relationship when you're being cause in the matter, there is always an action to take that won't increase your distance from the goal, whether we're talking relationships with people or not.

When there's no clear action to take, that is why
 

Kiwi Pete

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One thought I had this evening, was

What is the recipe for having a 9 year old boy writing a song and singing it like his life depended on it?
Because that's the level of complexity in life. There is no "if you keep his hair between this length and that length, he will suddenly create music" yet the farmers with their platemeters are looking for that alignment, and baffled why the weather is always "wrong for it to work"
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
One thought I had this evening, was

What is the recipe for having a 9 year old boy writing a song and singing it like his life depended on it?
Because that's the level of complexity in life. There is no "if you keep his hair between this length and that length, he will suddenly create music" yet the farmers with their platemeters are looking for that alignment, and baffled why the weather is always "wrong for it to work"

Not their calculator or checking their bank balance as that's all been taken care of, plenty of money and plenty of grass

Loosen up, but not so loose that you're then at the effect of it al
There are more things to bank than money when it comes to being able to loosen up and still not worry or have to force the issue.

what farmer was it said they only started making money when they stopped trying ?
I apparently make nothing but I have some so where did it come from ?
 

som farmer

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somerset
once the decision to 'change', in the farming system, it just sort of evolves on its merits.

as in all walks of life, the hard bit is the decision to change, once that is decided, if its the right decision, it all falls into place, over time.

But its the initial decision to change, perhaps after months of pondering, that makes things happen.

if its wrong, you are in the deep and murky, up to your neck, which is why the slow evolving bit, is important, the adage is, 'don't put all your eggs in 1 basket'.
 

Farmer Roy

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NSW, Newstralya

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Most people think we’re crazy w these big mobs and all…arvo’s like this arvo remind me of this great quote…
Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

 

Kiwi Pete

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There are more things to bank than money when it comes to being able to loosen up and still not worry or have to force the issue.

what farmer was it said they only started making money when they stopped trying ?
I apparently make nothing but I have some so where did it come from ?
I have definitely found that "pursuit" of money can take two paths, you can be tight or generous. When I was tight I had very little money but when I meant to be generous then a whole heap of generosity began to come my way.

That's echoed a lot and not necessarily with money, it's a different relationship, a different intention? A different energy perhaps.

I did a course a while back now and there was definitely a different energy after that, but the thing is "cost", it cost nearly a grand and that stops most people.

And since then our yearly income has increased by a factor of 4 so the true cost is in the not doing, in the letting myself be stopped?

That isn't how things show up in life.

Most all of the opportunities that have paid off for me have showed up as a threat in the beginning.
Droughts
Swimming in mud
Wondering how the feck will we pay the bills
Having arguments
Threatening to leave each other
The prospect of selling our home and farm

I can't think of a time where an opportunity that made a meaningful or lasting impact on my life has ever "showed up" as an opportunity that would make a positive difference

That's our survival mechanisms kicking in isn't it. We are gonna lose the survival game one day
 

crashbox

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I have definitely found that "pursuit" of money can take two paths, you can be tight or generous. When I was tight I had very little money but when I meant to be generous then a whole heap of generosity began to come my way.

That's echoed a lot and not necessarily with money, it's a different relationship, a different intention? A different energy perhaps.

I did a course a while back now and there was definitely a different energy after that, but the thing is "cost", it cost nearly a grand and that stops most people.

And since then our yearly income has increased by a factor of 4 so the true cost is in the not doing, in the letting myself be stopped?

That isn't how things show up in life.

Most all of the opportunities that have paid off for me have showed up as a threat in the beginning.
Droughts
Swimming in mud
Wondering how the feck will we pay the bills
Having arguments
Threatening to leave each other
The prospect of selling our home and farm

I can't think of a time where an opportunity that made a meaningful or lasting impact on my life has ever "showed up" as an opportunity that would make a positive difference

That's our survival mechanisms kicking in isn't it. We are gonna lose the survival game one day
You are absolutely correct Pete. The most inspiring and progressive people I've met have all had their backs against the wall at some point, often multiple times...

What was the course?
 

Bowland Bob

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Happy cows
 

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Henarar

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did you not know that outwintering in thé UK is impossible?
Someone who bought some of our heifers sent me some photos today of them outside with their calves that are a few days old, would like some dry land like that to outwinter, it wouldn't be a good idea to have them outside here, land varies a lot in the UK, is it not like that in France ?
 

Karliboy

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Since I had the barn fire here last week and the sucklers went back out I now wish so much I could do it permanently trouble is it’s wet land in winter and would take to long to recover. But the dry and frost has been real handy this last week. So little work except the once a day bale they need to top up on leftover grass from last year.
 
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Bowland Bob

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did you not know that outwintering in thé UK is impossible?
The land they're on is good dry ground, but is largely bracken and heather. I'm feeding them hay on the bracken. The stockpiled inbye land is again quite dry, especially if the cows are moved frequently, but grass has largely been used up and the land is now resting for spring. I'm working towards less hay and more stockpile, improving year on year!
 

Karliboy

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West Yorkshire
The land they're on is good dry ground, but is largely bracken and heather. I'm feeding them hay on the bracken. The stockpiled inbye land is again quite dry, especially if the cows are moved frequently, but grass has largely been used up and the land is now resting for spring. I'm working towards less hay and more stockpile, improving year on year!
How did it look this summer after last winter with using your collars.
are you still using the collars hard to tell in the pic?
Anymore YouTube vids?
 

Fenwick

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Bretagne France
Someone who bought some of our heifers sent me some photos today of them outside with their calves that are a few days old, would like some dry land like that to outwinter, it wouldn't be a good idea to have them outside here, land varies a lot in the UK, is it not like that in France ?

Yeah, lots of variation in land types over here. Lots of variation in farmer types too. ;)
 

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