In 2020 how the hell is this still going on ?

[thesilentone]

Farm at centre of goat cruelty scandal may have to shut down, owners say

Three staff dismissed, one put on final written warning and full closure a possibility after boss of scandal-hit site admits abuse caught on secret film was ‘horrifying’

www.independent.co.uk

This does untold damage to the Industry, and the words of the owners are a cop-out.

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[Werzle]

Slavery still goes on like many things that shouldnt so animal abuse will always happen in isolated cases.

 

[thesilentone]

Slavery still goes on like many things that shouldnt so animal abuse will always happen in isolated cases.

There is Zero excuse for animal cruelty in commercial farming in the UK.....

 

[thesilentone]

The reality is. this results in lots of PR for those opposed, it is shocking and should be stamped out, and the offenders jailed !

 

[nick...]

I despise animal cruelty and seen far to much on Facebook.
nick...

 

[deleted user 837354]

What the hell is wrong with people? If people end up with that mindset they shouldn't be working with livestock full stop. I can understand the odd beast that makes you curse a fair bit but seriously, wtf?

 

[nick...]

What are these people like In soceity.
nick...

 

[Kidds]

What are these people like In soceity.
nick...

I once worked with a church going upstanding pillar of the community who regularly murdered pigs without any reason. As an example he beat one to death with a spade to the head, I witnessed it so not some third party tale. Feckin lunatic and shouldn't be near any animals, I often wondered what he was like behind closed doors with his charming wife and daughter. (no suggestion that he was anything other than a perfect husband and father)

 

[betweenthelines]

I once worked with a church going upstanding pillar of the community who regularly murdered pigs without any reason. As an example he beat one to death with a spade to the head, I witnessed it so not some third party tale. Feckin lunatic and shouldn't be near any animals, I often wondered what he was like behind closed doors with his charming wife and daughter. (no suggestion that he was anything other than a perfect husband and father)

So what did you do about it?

 

[Kidds]

So what did you do about it?

Kept well away from him when he had a spade

 

[betweenthelines]

Farm at centre of goat cruelty scandal may have to shut down, owners say

Three staff dismissed, one put on final written warning and full closure a possibility after boss of scandal-hit site admits abuse caught on secret film was ‘horrifying’

www.independent.co.uk

This does untold damage to the Industry, and the words of the owners are a cop-out.

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The farming industry should take the lead on this and introduce licencing to keep animals. Too many in the industry know of those who's standards are unacceptable but do nothing about it. Unacceptable standards in welfare, treatment of sick animals (how many threads on TFF along the lines of "Got an animal that's been ill for week, what should I do?") poor treatment of injured/dying stock etc.

 

[primmiemoo]

Vet applicants far more closely before hiring, and, on these big outfits where the bosses can't be everywhere, install CCTV as default. It's hard on trustworthy employees, but that's the way it has to be.

The staff doing the abuse will be abusers wherever they are. Hope books are hurled at the abusers.

 

[Bald Rick]

I read only 2 days ago about how "choke porn" is the most searched for term on a well known website for adults.

I guess human cruelty is often inbuilt and it's only a small veneer of civility that keeps us from tearing in to animals & each other.

NOT that I condone any sort of abuse to humans OR animals in any way, shape or form

 

[Doc]

I posted this link up last week under heading of ‘another own goal for farming’, which is what these things are.
There are bad eggs in every profession but Ag seems to be over represented and especially at a time we are using our wonderful (?) ‘standards’ to negotiate trading terms.
Is there a fear of calling out this sort of thing within the industry by people witnessing it?

 

[Werzle]

There is Zero excuse for animal cruelty in commercial farming in the UK.....

I agree , i wasnt trying to excuse it but i stand by my comment. Rare case of cruelty tars us all , somebody always posts the story up but most of us have already read about it. I could post story after story of pets getting abused and people but dont see what it would prove that we dont already know

 

[deleted user 837354]

The farming industry should take the lead on this and introduce licencing to keep animals. Too many in the industry know of those who's standards are unacceptable but do nothing about it. Unacceptable standards in welfare, treatment of sick animals (how many threads on TFF along the lines of "Got an animal that's been ill for week, what should I do?") poor treatment of injured/dying stock etc.

I agree, would stop people from being able to keep livestock with absolutely zero knowledge- the good lifers who keep animals and starve them because they don't know how much a cow or sheep will eat a day.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Vet applicants far more closely before hiring, and, on these big outfits where the bosses can't be everywhere, install CCTV as default. It's hard on trustworthy employees, but that's the way it has to be.

The staff doing the abuse will be abusers wherever they are. Hope books are hurled at the abusers.

It would be better if all farmers, farm workers and people who keep livestock assumed that their entire premises concealed hidden cameras placed there by antis.

 

[betweenthelines]

I agree, would stop people from being able to keep livestock with absolutely zero knowledge- the good lifers who keep animals and starve them because they don't know how much a cow or sheep will eat a day.

Sadly there seems to be too many people in farming who fit the above category. And even more who don't see farm livestock as sentient beings, but as production units.

 

[deleted user 837354]

For starters, make it illegal to keep livestock without a licence. And make it possible for trading standards to revoke your licence very rapidly if they deem you are not keeping stock properly. This would then give the authorities the legal ability to seize animals and confiscate them from people who obviously are abusing them or otherwise incapable of maintaining husbandry standards. As the law stands today it is very difficult to sort cases if the owner will not comply with demands.

People keeping livestock without a licence can be fined, have their stock seized or even jailed for repeated offences.

Ask your vet about cases they have known of. Often takes many many months of careful work by trading standards to get animals taken away from people- I bet in some cases the vet would recommend euthanizing the lot there and then.

 

[primmiemoo]

It would be better if all farmers, farm workers and people who keep livestock assumed that their entire premises concealed hidden cameras placed there by antis.

I don't know about that. Why should antis be playing god?