Inhibitors for Urea (solid or liquid) for applications from 1st April

[graham mc]

just a reminder to make sure your orders are in and if not your paperwork is in order

Dont want anyone falling foul of the red tractor policing unit as you know they will be clipboards at the ready with eyes on the forecast for lack or rain etc

God help anyone that has a RT Audit coming up in the next cpl of months as they will get very excited if the see the sprayer or spreader in the yard on their annual money collecting visit

 

[MrNoo]

I gather it does not apply if you’re not RT? Roll on sowing grass and flowers!

 

[Wombat]

I gather it does not apply if you’re not RT? Roll on sowing grass and flowers!

Or Welsh or scotttish?

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

just a reminder to make sure your orders are in and if not your paperwork is in order

Dont want anyone falling foul of the red tractor policing unit as you know they will be clipboards at the ready with eyes on the forecast for lack or rain etc

God help anyone that has a RT Audit coming up in the next cpl of months as they will get very excited if the see the sprayer or spreader in the yard on their annual money collecting visit

Of course by using normal urea on the 2nd of April, it'd then mean your crop is no longer fit for Red Tractor and be subject to the discounted price. If you can find a home for it at all. And everything that you produce on your farm would no longer be Red Tractor assured. So your "licence" to farm is taken away.

Yet 2 days earlier and its fine

I assume after 6 months, the urea you spread a day late is no longer a problem, because its worked through the soil? Or is it 12 months Wonder how long it's a problem for

Bloody calendar farming

 

[Grass And Grain]

I wonder how strictly they'll audit this.

I mean if the tractor driver at a dairy farm applies some urea on 4th April when it's 10°C and pouring with rain, will RT remove the farmer's RT licence? Hence they can't sell their milk.

 

[robbie]

If they do audit it what will they actually do????
For any non conformance you have 28 days to submit corrective action. When I've had odd grain store temp records missing my corrective action is to say that from next harvest I'll keep relevant records so in the case of urea, if anyone gets pulled up surely they just need to write "next season I will not spread unprotected urea after the 1st of April.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Of course by using normal urea on the 2nd of April, it'd then mean your crop is no longer fit for Red Tractor and be subject to the discounted price. If you can find a home for it at all. And everything that you produce on your farm would no longer be Red Tractor assured. So your "licence" to farm is taken away.

Yet 2 days earlier and its fine

I assume after 6 months, the urea you spread a day late is no longer a problem, because its worked through the soil? Or is it 12 months Wonder how long it's a problem for

Bloody calendar farming

Would you have to landfill the oilseed rape if it had urea on 2nd April given there isn't a crusher who can't take non RT British OSR? (any old foreign stuff is fine though)

 

[robbie]

I have a very good friend whose not RT and never had been and he's never had a problem going ride of his couple or 3 lorry loads of OSR!!!!
Usually within a quid or 2 of the proper stuff too!!!!

 

[graham mc]

i cant understand how more people havent kicked off about it

im working on .7 of a litre @ £26/l so for every m3 of liquid it adds 18£

 

[graham mc]

2 farmers both dont use it
1 sends it to central store and the other has it in farm shed

RT pick up on it so whats the outcome?????

 

[NorthumbrianFarmer]

It’s all a bloody farce. Your telling me if I don’t have my spring barley in by the 1st of April it’s not good enough for them? All because I spread the fert infront of the drill and it’s on the surface for an hour or so

 

[Steevo]

Of course by using normal urea on the 2nd of April, it'd then mean your crop is no longer fit for Red Tractor and be subject to the discounted price. If you can find a home for it at all. And everything that you produce on your farm would no longer be Red Tractor assured. So your "licence" to farm is taken away.

Yet 2 days earlier and its fine

I assume after 6 months, the urea you spread a day late is no longer a problem, because its worked through the soil? Or is it 12 months Wonder how long it's a problem for

Bloody calendar farming

If I spread some urea on the last day of March but it doesn’t get washed in until a week later…..that’s fine. But if I spread it on the first day of April and it got washed in the same day that’s not good enough.

Welcome to the madhouse!

 

[graham mc]

I wonder how strictly they'll audit this.

the auditor i had in jan if she came on april and saw the sprayer at the tank would have set a new 100m world record to try and catch us out

 

[SilliamWhale]

2 farmers both dont use it
1 sends it to central store and the other has it in farm shed

RT pick up on it so whats the outcome?????

The whole pile will be condemned, has to be

 

[robbie]

If I spread some urea on the last day of March but it doesn’t get washed in until a week later…..that’s fine. But if I spread it on the first day of April and it got washed in the same day that’s not good enough.

Welcome to the madhouse!

Yep.
And that's what's so bloody stupid about this whole thing. Spread before the 1st April and it could sit there for a fortnight or more and it's perfectly legal, spread in April with a showery forecast that gets it washed in in a few hours and it's illegal.

You couldn't make this sh!t up, if there's one industry which can't be run from a calender it's farming.

 

[wanton dwarf]

the auditor i had in jan if she came on april and saw the sprayer at the tank would have set a new 100m world record to try and catch us out

I'd ask for a different assesor highlighting personality conflict issues

 

[Grass And Grain]

Would you have to landfill the oilseed rape if it had urea on 2nd April given there isn't a crusher who can't take non RT British OSR? (any old foreign stuff is fine though)

Keep it in shed until 2025, get your RT stickers back, sell the OSR.

I'm not sure if non-compliance will be an advisory or critical failure. And it can't be corrected until next season. So how does that work?

Yep.
And that's what's so bloody stupid about this whole thing. Spread before the 1st April and it could sit there for a fortnight or more and it's perfectly legal, spread in April with a showery forecast that gets it washed in in a few hours and it's illegal.

You couldn't make this sh!t up, if there's one industry which can't be run from a calender it's farming.

It was NFU who suggested RT police urea afaik. I understand the thinking, but also think they've messed up.

I don't know why it couldn't have been based on suitable weather conditions (if we think there's a problem at all). We don't have a winter closed season for spreading cattle FYM, we're just advised not to spread when ground is frozen.... sensible solution. Red Tractor have given us a fixed date, but only if we're in England. Doesn't matter in Wales, and this is to get the exact same Red Tractor certification. Completely bonkers.

 

[SilliamWhale]

It was NFU who suggested RT police urea afaik. I understand the thinking, but also think they've messed up.

What do you understand about the thinking?

 

[Steevo]

Keep it in shed until 2025, get your RT stickers back, sell the OSR.

I'm not sure if non-compliance will be an advisory or critical failure. And it can't be corrected until next season. So how does that work?


It was NFU who suggested RT police urea afaik. I understand the thinking, but also think they've messed up.

I don't know why it couldn't have been based on suitable weather conditions (if we think there's a problem at all). We don't have a winter closed season for spreading cattle FYM, we're just advised not to spread when ground is frozen.... sensible solution. Red Tractor have given us a fixed date, but only if we're in England. Doesn't matter in Wales, and this is to get the exact same Red Tractor certification. Completely bonkers.

When you put it like that is almost sounds like discrimination.

 

[Grass And Grain]

What do you understand about the thinking?

Well, what I meant is, if it's true that urea would have been banned if it wasn't for voluntary measures. Just that bit.

Seen as though lots of farmers aren't RT, it doesn't make brilliant sense to use RT.

Then there's the science. I haven't got a full understanding of it, but many say the experimental info wasn't very good.

And it seems nonsense to have a blanket ban on a fixed date from Newcastle to Newquay. Last season there were lots of cool damp urea spreading opportunities in April and July (for grass), but fair enough May and June were generally hot and dry.

Imho (if we think there is a volatilisation issue) they'd have been better running a best practice education programme to ALL FARMERS (not just RT farmers). If it hurts our wallets from reduced nitrogen utilisation, then farmers would likely only spread in appropriate conditions.

Meanwhile they've got access to urea in hot dry European countries. CF Fertilisers wouldn't be able to contain their excitement if urea was banned in the UK.