Is Defra reckless and short sighted cutting Farm BPS payments and replacing with lower production environmental whilst the third world starve?

[Huno]

You are s

Don’t worry, he’s in India just now and will come back with a proposed trade deal that will see even more of our technology sector outsourced to India, while proclaiming a ‘great trade deal for the UK’.

Truth is, of course, that India couldn’t give a shite about doing a trade deal with the UK unless it was totally on their terms. Where are all those countries that were meant to queue up to do trade deals that were favourable to the UK? They don’t exist and never have except in the fevered imagination of those that have dumped our existing very favourable trade deals with our near neighbours.

 

[Huno]

Either we trade with India or Russia does.. do some more maths!!

 

[Cowabunga]

Either we trade with India or Russia does.. do some more maths!!

Like I said, India couldn’t give two hoots about trading with us. Russia can currently supply them with cheap oil and probably plenty of wheat. What have we got that they need and that Russia cannot provide? India has nothing much to give us that we need apart from doctors. If I were building a fairly sophisticated web site at the moment, before any trade deal, I could choose web designers in the UK at £100/hour and upwards or an Indian, over the internet, that will do the same work for £8/hour.

 

[Lowland1]

Like I said, India couldn’t give two hoots about trading with us. Russia can currently supply them with cheap oil and probably plenty of wheat. What have we got that they need and that Russia cannot provide? India has nothing much to give us that we need apart from doctors. If I were building a fairly sophisticated web site at the moment, before any trade deal, I could choose web designers in the UK at £100/hour and upwards or an Indian, over the internet, that will do the same work for £8/hour.

India has a wheat surplus they also export a lot of exotic fruit and veg to the UK and as 5% of the UK and most of the cabinet are of Indian origin there is quite a demand as for web design if you’re paying £8 an hour then you’re probably paying a lot more than you need to.

 

[Huno]

Either we

India has a wheat surplus they also export a lot of exotic fruit and veg to the UK and as 5% of the UK and most of the cabinet are of Indian origin there is quite a demand as for web design if you’re paying £8 an hour then you’re probably paying a lot more than you need to.

Or what the hell can we produce from our farms that India wants... answer.. Scotch... or any old whisky!! Or anything you might imagine but not beef!

 

[Huno]

Either we

Or what the hell can we produce from our farms that India wants... answer.. Scotch... or any old whisky!! Or anything you might imagine but not beef!

We are selling to the top 10% richest indians and their standard of living is starting to exceed us uk peasants giving it away to Tesco

 

[Huno]

I would rather grow blackgrass than deal directly with a multiple...screw them...

 

[Cowabunga]

India has a wheat surplus they also export a lot of exotic fruit and veg to the UK and as 5% of the UK and most of the cabinet are of Indian origin there is quite a demand as for web design if you’re paying £8 an hour then you’re probably paying a lot more than you need to.

So why would they need to negotiate a trade deal with us? They have all the trade with us that they want as it is. We really have nothing they need that we are not already supplying.

 

[Lowland1]

Either we

Or what the hell can we produce from our farms that India wants... answer.. Scotch... or any old whisky!! Or anything you might imagine but not beef!

India is the fourth largest exporter of beef in the world. Other than whisky I’m not sure what we export as they are pretty self sufficient but the UK is a great place for their billionaires to put their money. And now we’re short of oligarch cash you know the rest.

 

[farmerm]

Like I said, India couldn’t give two hoots about trading with us. Russia can currently supply them with cheap oil and probably plenty of wheat. What have we got that they need and that Russia cannot provide? India has nothing much to give us that we need apart from doctors. If I were building a fairly sophisticated web site at the moment, before any trade deal, I could choose web designers in the UK at £100/hour and upwards or an Indian, over the internet, that will do the same work for £8/hour.

If you are happy to pay Indian wages don't be unhappy when you are paid Indian prices for your farm produce....

 

[Huno]

If you are happy to pay Indian wages don't be unhappy when you are paid Indian prices for your farm produce....

We are now!!!!!!!

 

[Huno]

So why would they need to negotiate a trade deal with us? They have all the trade with us that they want as it is. We really have nothing they need that we are not already supplying.

We have loads of non ag sectors to export and when they get rich like Dyson.. they will buy our farms...when we have to quit

 

[Cowabunga]

If you are happy to pay Indian wages don't be unhappy when you are paid Indian prices for your farm produce....

I never said I was. In fact I was hinting that they can and already do undercut British labour. I don’t need a web site.
Actually I suspect that we are already paid Indian prices for our farm produce. The ‘world market’ has generally been higher than the British market for many categories of produce for the last 18 months or so.

 

[Huno]

Like I said, India couldn’t give two hoots about trading with us. Russia can currently supply them with cheap oil and probably plenty of wheat. What have we got that they need and that Russia cannot provide? India has nothing much to give us that we need apart from doctors. If I were building a fairly sophisticated web site at the moment, before any trade deal, I could choose web designers in the UK at £100/hour and upwards or an Indian, over the internet, that will do the same work for £8/hour.

Websites are just a simple sales tool...

 

[Cowabunga]

Websites are just a simple sales tool...

I’m sure that they would be just as happy to do any computer programming or web design.

 

[Lowland1]

I never said I was. In fact I was hinting that they can and already do undercut British labour. I don’t need a web site.
Actually I suspect that we are already paid Indian prices for our farm produce. The ‘world market’ has generally been higher than the British market for many categories of produce for the last 18 months or so.

Indian wheat price is £215 a tonne. Potatoes about £120 tonne.

 

[Huno]

Indian wheat price is £215 a tonne

Which is what UK farmers will recieve by forward selling and post harvest selling!! Its not a game we win... hedging is for morons and we are not traders.. soft commodities are a pointless gamble... grow a crop for a friend you can trust or just let Banks Cargill screw you up the ☆☆☆☆...

 

[Huno]

Roulette is another similar game recommended to farmers but only pitch your stake on black or red.... russian roulette will be the next fad in 2025 for UK farmers i guess??

 

[Lowland1]

Which is what UK farmers will recieve by forward selling and post harvest selling!! Its not a game we win... hedging is for morons and we are not traders.. soft commodities are a pointless gamble... grow a crop for a friend you can trust or just let Banks Cargill screw you up the ☆☆☆☆...

Government support has kept prices down. You can take the environmental cash or grow crops. The prices are going up and if people don’t buy so many inputs their prices will stabilize.

 

[Huno]

I’m sure that they would be just as happy to do any computer programming or web design.

Computers are robots.. Farmers are real... thats the issue!!!