Is the Public really bothered about farming....

[Hilly]

its self tanalising will last longer than a lot of the sh1t you buy these days

I use galv metal now, modern timber not worth wasting money on for fencing its pure sh!t.

 

[Henarar]

modern timber not worth wasting money on for fencing its pure sh!t.

grown in the UK I take it ?

 

[Hilly]

grown in the UK I take it ?

Yes its sh!t, build a fence and in 5 years its rotten off at the bottom, go to build a house all twisted knots sh!t timber its the poorest quality their is, my old man was in the timber game since the 30`s when all we had was english oak, he taught me everything their is to know about timber. And he worked for the forestry commission

 

[brigadoon]

Yes its sh!t, build a fence and in 5 years its rotten off at the bottom, go to build a house all twisted knots sh!t timber its the poorest quality their is, my old man was in the timber game since the 30`s when all we had was english oak, he taught me everything their is to know about timber. And he worked for the forestry commission

Hilly old son - you do realise that the majority of timber used in the UK is imported don't you?

Or did your old man forget that bit?

Or are you deliberately choosing to support the UK forestry industry in similar fashion to the regular demands we see on here to support British Farmers..

The Uk has been very reliant on timber imports for many years and certainly long before the 1930's

Your fencing rots because the preservatives we used to use are banned.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Hilly old son - you do realise that the majority of timber used in the UK is imported don't you?

Or did your old man forget that bit?

Or are you deliberately choosing to support the UK forestry industry in similar fashion to the regular demands we see on here to support British Farmers..

The Uk has been very reliant on timber imports for many years and certainly long before the 1930's

Your fencing rots because the preservatives we used to use are banned.

I only use creosoted posts now or ex telegraph poles for strainers

 

[Hilly]

Hilly old son - you do realise that the majority of timber used in the UK is imported don't you?

Or did your old man forget that bit?

Or are you deliberately choosing to support the UK forestry industry in similar fashion to the regular demands we see on here to support British Farmers..

The Uk has been very reliant on timber imports for many years and certainly long before the 1930's

Your fencing rots because the preservatives we used to use are banned.

The fencing rots because the treatment is sh!t yes, it also shows how sh!t the timber is without treatment sitka that is, other variety's are alot better but very hard to buy here, so metal and concrete it is, imported timber is better more variety's available and has been grown in better conditions, British sitka is thee lowest quality going, their are uses for it but only dick would pretend it is anything other than a low quality commodity.

 

[Hilly]

I only use creosoted posts now or ex telegraph poles for strainers

You can buy concrete gate posts as well now they look very good and will last.

 

[Blaithin]

I still don’t get why the tree farms aren’t considered worthy of being farmers. Sure the management of a crop of monoculture trees as far as you can see is crap. But some of us feel that way about cereals and pulses as well.

Instead of being so against tree farming completely, perhaps try and advocate management styles for it that work with other methods. It wasn’t too long ago people bemoaned the idea of wind and solar farms. “They’re taking away land we can use!” everyone said. Well now you see plenty of them, spaced out instead of a big cluster, and surrounded by crop land and in many more instances, pastureland and grazing livestock.

Growing trees for lumber does not have to be at the exclusion of all other farming. Given enough time to establish and adequate fencing, trees are perfectly able to cohabitate with livestock. Mine do all the time! Perhaps it’s even a venue a few farmers on here could make a second revenue off of.

A dead set No! You’re all morons! rarely solves anything. But looking at it as a portion of the farming industry that can be tweaked to all sorts of situations could go quite far.

 

[Farmer Roy]

I still don’t get why the tree farms aren’t considered worthy of being farmers. Sure the management of a crop of monoculture trees as far as you can see is crap. But some of us feel that way about cereals and pulses as well.

Instead of being so against tree farming completely, perhaps try and advocate management styles for it that work with other methods. It wasn’t too long ago people bemoaned the idea of wind and solar farms. “They’re taking away land we can use!” everyone said. Well now you see plenty of them, spaced out instead of a big cluster, and surrounded by crop land and in many more instances, pastureland and grazing livestock.

Growing trees for lumber does not have to be at the exclusion of all other farming. Given enough time to establish and adequate fencing, trees are perfectly able to cohabitate with livestock. Mine do all the time! Perhaps it’s even a venue a few farmers on here could make a second revenue off of.

A dead set No! You’re all morons! rarely solves anything. But looking at it as a portion of the farming industry that can be tweaked to all sorts of situations could go quite far.

About the most sensible post here so far
And from a Canadian

 

[czechmate]

Plant 10,000 h of the Yorkshire moors and see what the public want more.

Dalby. Pickering...

 

[Hilly]

Dalby. Pickering...

Its only 8000 acers , i can see more out my kitchen window with one eye closed, and its not wall too wall Sitka.

 

[tommyurray]

just a comment on public goods, open access to ramblists, where is the bio security with ramblists marching all over letting feral dogs chase animals and spread diseases.

During the last war we had a government department, who's aim was to increase the public good from agriculture (War Ag), I don't think they were concerned about planting more hedged, bio diversity, open access, habitats for birds or rewilding, or blocking up ditches, the public good they were concerned about was producing food to feed the nation.

Yes but in 1940 the country was on rationing as stated in an earlier post farmers are not important till there is a food shortage perhaps a few years like this one are what the farming industry needs,when the choice is not between 5 different brands but take it or leave it and go hungry.Farmers are their own worst enemy always trying to produce more food than is needed to try to make more money when far more money could be made by producing far less and clocking off at 5 and starting at 9 the next day

 

[brigadoon]

The fencing rots because the treatment is sh!t yes, it also shows how sh!t the timber is without treatment sitka that is, other variety's are alot better but very hard to buy here, so metal and concrete it is, imported timber is better more variety's available and has been grown in better conditions, British sitka is thee lowest quality going, their are uses for it but only dick would pretend it is anything other than a low quality commodity.

Ah so your old man did not tell you not to put Sitka in the ground then?

Which part of C16=C16 is it that your open mind does not comprehend

 

[brigadoon]

I still don’t get why the tree farms aren’t considered worthy of being farmers. Sure the management of a crop of monoculture trees as far as you can see is crap. But some of us feel that way about cereals and pulses as well.

Instead of being so against tree farming completely, perhaps try and advocate management styles for it that work with other methods. It wasn’t too long ago people bemoaned the idea of wind and solar farms. “They’re taking away land we can use!” everyone said. Well now you see plenty of them, spaced out instead of a big cluster, and surrounded by crop land and in many more instances, pastureland and grazing livestock.

Growing trees for lumber does not have to be at the exclusion of all other farming. Given enough time to establish and adequate fencing, trees are perfectly able to cohabitate with livestock. Mine do all the time! Perhaps it’s even a venue a few farmers on here could make a second revenue off of.

A dead set No! You’re all morons! rarely solves anything. But looking at it as a portion of the farming industry that can be tweaked to all sorts of situations could go quite far.

You are not seriously going to argue that farming and forestry are complementary land uses are you??

You won't get far round here with that attitude!!!!

Why on earth would anyone want to grow trees with rising public support when they can produce scabby wee store lambs off the same ground the way thier great grandfather did??

Only a retard would even consider it

We might not get a consensus on this

 

[Henarar]

public support government support more like, would many be planted without it

 

[Hilly]

public support government support more like, would many be planted without it

Not one Sitka spruce, not a one , lots of natives tho everyone loves a native tree !

 

[Hilly]

You are not seriously going to argue that farming and forestry are complementary land uses are you??

You won't get far round here with that attitude!!!!

Why on earth would anyone want to grow trees with rising public support when they can produce scabby wee store lambs off the same ground the way thier great grandfather did??

Only a retard would even consider it

We might not get a consensus on this

Disgusting attitude you have toward hill farmers.

 

[Hilly]

You are not seriously going to argue that farming and forestry are complementary land uses are you??

You won't get far round here with that attitude!!!!

Why on earth would anyone want to grow trees with rising public support when they can produce scabby wee store lambs off the same ground the way thier great grandfather did??

Only a retard would even consider it

We might not get a consensus on this

Disgusting attitude you have toward hill farmers. And if that is aimed at me i can assure you my grandfather was not a farmer and i cant ever recall selling a store lamb.

 

[brigadoon]

Disgusting attitude you have toward hill farmers. And if that is aimed at me i can assure you my grandfather was not a farmer and i cant ever recall selling a store lamb.

Lets deal with the second point first - its not "aimed" at anybody at all and least of all you - it is a tongue in cheek exaggeration along similar lines to "giant thistle" or even..

......... British sitka is thee lowest quality going, their are uses for it but only dick would pretend it is anything other than a low quality commodity.

Nor is there any "attitude" towards hill farmers, they are under pressure - and unless public goods can be demonstrated and rewarded that is not going to change, irrespective of any individual sympathies I may have.

 

[Weasel]

Disgusting attitude you have toward hill farmers.

Totally agree. What a ridiculous comment. I think he's a failed farmer and bitter towards folk that can do it