Ive been keeping a secret...

[Cows 'n grass]

I thought one ai company did this ..might be genus but can’t remember it’s so long ago and then the herd and farm was sold off

Genus used to have the MOET herd but it was dispersed a while ago now and Cogent would still have pretty strong ties with the Grosvenor farms herd.

 

[More to life]

Well done this must be thrilling for you.

 

[Sambo]

I thought one ai company did this ..might be genus but can’t remember it’s so long ago and then the herd and farm was sold off

Genus had their own herd at reaseheath college for awhile.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Genus used to have the MOET herd but it was dispersed a while ago now and Cogent would still have pretty strong ties with the Grosvenor farms herd.

I can remember moet melody made some lovely long lasting cows then we tried moet Nansen and they were the worst ever.

 

[Tirglas]

I can remember moet melody made some lovely long lasting cows then we tried moet Nansen and they were the worst ever.

Agreed!

 

[Spudley]

Congratulations! A tremendous achievement.

 

[joe3350]

Well done who is he by ?sounds like he has great figures

 

[More to life]

Cogent are now working with 10 friesian herds and doing 120 contract matings a year. These matings change every year depending on proof runs. They would have to be buying and selling cows constantly, creating a massive disease risk and it just wouldn't work. Then you multiply that with jersey, guernsey, fleckvieh, montbeliarde etc and youre talking thousands of cows.
They do it with holsteins to a degree, but normally they have "partner" farms they work with - look at genosource for cogent and denovo with Genus

There's more to breeding a good bull than using the top PLI bull on a high PLI cow. I'm the first to admit when it comes to a lot of things I'm far from the best, but when it comes to breeding cows, I'm bloody good at it. I've taken families and individuals from being minus pli to over 100 and now looking at contract matings for 2 of these heifers, that doesn't happen by chance. I need assistance from the likes of cogent in targeting bulls to produce what the consumer wants, they tell me what sells and we try our best to make it. I'm always thinking down the line with matings. So his dam has gone to braveheart, she herself, will not produce a bull worthy of stud. But she will be middling PLI with no chad, jingle, etc in her back pedigree and should have a right-sided linear with positive everything, mated to the right bull at the time, she will make a daughter who will make the next big thing, hopefully backed by the best part of 10 gens straight vg/ex.

What did the heifer classify.

 

[organicguy]

Well done James. Makes it all worthwhile.

 

[TheRanger]

Cogent and genus still do it to a degree, rarely results in bulls worthy of AI these days though, cogent koepen rocky is a more recent example of a success from an inhouse mating. cogent twist was probably the most famous one I can think of, he was a shottle son and arguably the best shottle son, the others from my understanding were very hit or miss.

Where was Rocky bred? I see he's UK tagged and out of a Dutch Koepon prefix cow (owned by Alta presumably?)

 

[alan6430]

I can remember moet melody made some lovely long lasting cows then we tried moet Nansen and they were the worst ever.

No prizes for guessing who sold those straws to you

we did exactly the same, many years ago now

 

[Jdunn55]

Where was Rocky bred? I see he's UK tagged and out of a Dutch Koepon prefix cow (owned by Alta presumably?)

My guess is that cogent wither bought the koepon heifer or paid for a flush as they also have siblings registered with the cogent prefix

 

[Jdunn55]

What did the heifer classify.

She didn't, I didn't classify anything this year, as above I had pretty much given up this year, only registered all my heifers as pedigree in November I think (after the deal had been done and remembered why I do what I do!)

Obviously regret that now but can't change the past.

I would guess she would have gone an easy vg85 if not 86, she's by far my best looking heifer this year and that draws from her maternal lines (dam is bfe91, gdam is bfe90, ggdam is vg88, gggdam is ex91 and ggggdam is ex93)

 

[Bert Jansch]

I can remember moet melody made some lovely long lasting cows then we tried moet Nansen and they were the worst ever.

A lot of mine are descended from Moet Melody. First sexed straws we used around 2008-09 I think.

Well done JD!! Hope it puts a spring in your step for a while

 

[xmilkr]

Congratulations, well done l know how you feel we had two bulls sold to MMB from our Snowcella family and one sold to represent the British Friesian Breed at the Porto Alegro fair in Brazil, that was over forty years ago but still get that happy feeling.

 

[som farmer]

Well done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc

cogent do, or they did.

perhaps companies have tried, and realised there's little profit in milking, and decided to let us farmers, do the hard work, and they cherry pick the best.

really hope @Jdunn55 makes some decent money out of it, he certainly needs to, and deserves to.

these genomic bulls don't seem to stay long in the catalogues, so, he's got to breed 1 a year !

 

[Henarar]

cogent do, or they did.

perhaps companies have tried, and realised there's little profit in milking, and decided to let us farmers, do the hard work, and they cherry pick the best.

really hope @Jdunn55 makes some decent money out of it, he certainly needs to, and deserves to.

these genomic bulls don't seem to stay long in the catalogues, so, he's got to breed 1 a year !

why don't they stay long ?

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

why don't they stay long ?

Soon as a bull comes in with higher figures or it’s not selling it’s on the hook by the sounds of it.

 

[Henarar]

Soon as a bull comes in with higher figures or it’s not selling it’s on the hook by the sounds of it.

seems a shame if its a good bull

 

[som farmer]

why don't they stay long ?

all the catalogues are about 90% genomic bulls, very few proven bulls.

what happens to genomic bulls, where do they end up ? Its the bit about genomics l have doubts about. All these top quality genomic bulls, yet few make proven. They say the genomic gain is such, that each intake, is better than the last .....