Ivermectin , covid cure

[essex man]

1 year. He made it on to More or Less for that gem.

Interesting, which year?

 

[Charlie Gill]

Interesting, which year?

You'll have to google it mate I don't remember, look up stuart mcdonald the actuary that works with the mortality data. I think the guy campbell got his info from deleted his substack post pretty pronto.

 

[essex man]

You'll have to google it mate I don't remember, look up stuart mcdonald the actuary that works with the mortality data. I think the guy campbell got his info from deleted his substack post pretty pronto.

Guessing it was 2022.

 

[Cowabunga]

If that statement was correct then why is he obviously lying?

Your perception of reality is not normal. Perhaps you have been watching too much of that Rogan fellow you keep harping on about. John Campbell is just not against vaccination in general and indeed initially supported the Covid vaccination campaign. He started to question its safety when reports of the AZ vaccine causing severe and sometimes fatal adverse reactions became credible and the initial claims of efficacy safety and persitance proved quite misleading.

 

[essex man]

Have you tried using the forum's own search function because I have discussed this very issue at length several times already? View attachment 1172205

Messenger RNA-based vaccines: Past, present, and future directions in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic

mRNA vaccines have received major attention in the fight against COVID-19. Formulations from companies such as Moderna and BioNTech/Pfizer have allowed us to slowly ease the social distancing measures, mask requirements, and lockdowns that have been prevalent ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Previously, vaccines for melanoma, rabies, influenza and ebola (also Zika virus) using mRNA technology have been trialled. In the main, they were not successful- because they simply did not generate anything like the level of efficacy required. Researchers had every intention of using these vaccines for human use (because that is where the money is) only they were cut off at the knees because they simply didn't work.

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Many other approaches to vaccination have also been trialled. DNA vaccines (sooner you than me) or subunit vaccines have also been tried (they tried this for anthrax: again, sooner you than me). Given the level of virulence in some pathogens it is often highly desirable that we try to avoid using live or merely inactivated versions of them in vaccines. Vaccines using mRNA offer the ability to vaccinate people without ever exposing them to actual pathogens or the toxins they might release. Because mRNA allows you to manufacture exact peptide sequences using the body's own machinery, it is also a highly precise way of training the adaptive immune system.

As I have no said for at least the 10th time: mRNA vaccines are not new. They have been researched a lot. How else do you think any company was able to develop these covid19 vaccines so rapidly? To have started from scratch would have taken years. They didn't need to start from scratch- mRNA vaccine tech was sat on the shelf because no one had yet made them work.

The Oxford/AstraZeneca method was cheating- they used an adenoviral vector to trick cells into manufacturing the goods. It is a lot cheaper and easier to do this as mRNA is fiendishly unstable stuff at the best of times.

Around a dozen companies produced covid vaccines in the end. Some used viral subunits. Others viral vectors. Others inactivated virus itself. They all offer advantages and disadvantages over each other.

As has been repeated said, the thing that was new, was their use.
They have not been used before.
The az viral vector had a precursor in the ebola vaccine but not particularly analogous to a whole population vaccine against a cold virus.
Clearly didn't prove anything in terms of safety profile either.

 

[ollie989898]

Your perception of reality is not normal. Perhaps you have been watching too much of that Rogan fellow you keep harping on about. John Campbell is just not against vaccination in general and indeed initially supported the Covid vaccination campaign. He started to question its safety when reports of the AZ vaccine causing severe and sometimes fatal adverse reactions became credible and the initial claims of efficacy safety and persitance proved quite misleading.

Errr he made demonstrably false claims in videos. Some of which rather amusingly directly contradict themselves.

He lied. Pure and simple. He is not a reliable source of information and his grasp the science is rather weak. There are many other people making youtube videos which actually aren't' instantly torn apart by twitteratti and some of them even work within the realms of the cellular and molecular sciences meaning they actually do know what they are on about. You should try it.

 

[Cowabunga]

Errr he made demonstrably false claims in videos. Some of which rather amusingly directly contradict themselves.

He lied. Pure and simple. He is not a reliable source of information and his grasp the science is rather weak. There are many other people making youtube videos which actually aren't' instantly torn apart by twitteratti and some of them even work within the realms of the cellular and molecular sciences meaning they actually do know what they are on about. You should try it.

His competence and understanding of the science seems to be well above yours and he has the experience and humility to back it up. We are not talking about ‘other people’ despite your constant reference to some ‘Rogan’ or other. He talks to and listens to recognised experts in their field.
If you want a real expert on cellular and molecular biology then they don’t come higher qualified than Dr. Phillip Buckhaults.

 

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Safe and effective for everyone maybe not , you decide.

 

[ollie989898]

His competence and understanding of the science seems to be well above yours and he has the experience and humility to back it up. We are not talking about ‘other people’ despite your constant reference to some ‘Rogan’ or other. He talks to and listens to recognised experts in their field.
If you want a real expert on cellular and molecular biology then they don’t come higher qualified than Dr. Phillip Buckhaults.

So.... again, no attempt to even address any of my salient points. Strange that, well, maybe not, since you can't actually explain any of them other than by the suggestions I've already made, all of which point to the fact you guys are unable to see past the myopia and accept the reality that you've been following a crooked fish this whole time and that all those hours you have wasted on youtube were worthless.

Forgive me, youtube videos are more of a 'you' thing. I'd rather read articles in black and white: takes far less time. I am sure that should any poignant articles ever appear you would be the first to post them to prove your point. Well, maybe not. I know how difficult cut and paste can be these days and it would involve reading the damned things to make sure they actually support the claim you are trying to make.

 

[Two Tone]

So.... again, no attempt to even address any of my salient points. Strange that, well, maybe not, since you can't actually explain any of them other than by the suggestions I've already made, all of which point to the fact you guys are unable to see past the myopia and accept the reality that you've been following a crooked fish this whole time and that all those hours you have wasted on youtube were worthless.

Forgive me, youtube videos are more of a 'you' thing. I'd rather read articles in black and white, takes far less time.

Pot, Kettle, black!
So……again, no attempt by you to answer our questions and tell us what your qualifications in any of this are.

Just repeating the same old rudeness and bile and making an utter fool of yourself in trying to point score against anybody else.
Thinking that this approach is clever, when in reality all it does make everything you say come across as unreliable and false.

Why do you do it?
What possible satisfaction can you get in your attitude that can possibly outweigh the resulting negativity you gain from the rest of us?

 

[essex man]

Pot, Kettle, black!
So……again, no attempt by you to answer our questions and tell us what your qualifications in any of this are.

Just repeating the same old rudeness and bile and making an utter fool of yourself in trying to point score against anybody else.
Thinking that this approach is clever, when in reality all it does make everything you say come across as unreliable and false.

Why do you do it?
What possible satisfaction can you get in your attitude that can possibly outweigh the resulting negativity you gain from the rest of us?

The only qualification you require to understand covid is the ability to think for yourself.
She is generally just parroting nhs/gov/pharma line.
Hard to defend if you haven't come ul with the words yourself, hence the losing arguments, ignoring etc
Those who hold on to covid are generally wanting to keep their gains.
Most have given up.

 

[Cowabunga]

So.... again, no attempt to even address any of my salient points. Strange that, well, maybe not, since you can't actually explain any of them other than by the suggestions I've already made, all of which point to the fact you guys are unable to see past the myopia and accept the reality that you've been following a crooked fish this whole time and that all those hours you have wasted on youtube were worthless.

Forgive me, youtube videos are more of a 'you' thing. I'd rather read articles in black and white: takes far less time. I am sure that should any poignant articles ever appear you would be the first to post them to prove your point. Well, maybe not. I know how difficult cut and paste can be these days and it would involve reading the damned things to make sure they actually support the claim you are trying to make.

As I pointed out rather too accurately, you are lazy and disingenuous. There is no transcript of that presentation by an expert in his field to an official enquiry. Ignore it or not, it is there. Live your life in ignorance, totally blinkered, for all I care but don’t project your obvious deficiency upon others. Dole it out to me, deflections, abuses and excuses and you get a truck load of it heaped back. I do not suffer fools like you lightly.

 

[ollie989898]

As I pointed out rather too accurately, you are lazy and disingenuous. There is no transcript of that presentation by an expert in his field to an official enquiry. Ignore it or not, it is there. Live your life in ignorance, totally blinkered, for all I care but don’t project your obvious deficiency upon others. Dole it out to me, deflections, abuses and excuses and you get a truck load of it heaped back. I do not suffer fools like you lightly.

Again, basically ignoring what I have stated.

Giving evidence to an enquiry of of zero relevance to this given that vast number of shady folk that have been summoned to such things.

And you complaining about abuse is bloody rich considering you are the number 1 forum persona who attacks others at the first hint of resistance or when an discussion approaches a level beyond which your head can't compete.

If you want a transcipt- go on and type out yourself.

And lastly, if you were asking for evidence about a medical product, you wouldn't ask for the expert opinion of someone who obviously unqualified in the field. The guy has no academics whatsoever in this field. I presume you recognised that already but then since you rely on youtube videos so heavily, probably not. There are people with PhDs in molecular and cellular biology who conduct research in this arena day in and day out as part of their work. I've been trained by someone of them myself. You perhaps appreciate why I don't want (or need) to rely on youtube videos produced by cranks.

 

[Cowabunga]

Again, basically ignoring what I have stated.

Keep on digging a deeper hole. You are certainly an expert at it.

 

[ollie989898]

Pot, Kettle, black!
So……again, no attempt by you to answer our questions and tell us what your qualifications in any of this are.

Just repeating the same old rudeness and bile and making an utter fool of yourself in trying to point score against anybody else.
Thinking that this approach is clever, when in reality all it does make everything you say come across as unreliable and false.

Why do you do it?
What possible satisfaction can you get in your attitude that can possibly outweigh the resulting negativity you gain from the rest of us?

Sorry old chum. You are also on ignore so I have no intention of engaging with you at any juncture. You pressed the 'fudge' button one too many times. Life is simply too short. Whatever it is you think or believe or want is clearly never going to overlap with anything I have to contribute so what is the point?

 

[ollie989898]

Keep on digging a deeper hole. You are certainly an expert at it.

Good luck mate. You are also wasting my time. You've reached checkmate and didn't attempt to address any point I made. There is nothing to bother engaging with you now and I find your personal attacks corrosive to the forum and I've tired of reading the tripe to be honest.

 

[ollie989898]

RFJ Jr. Need I say any more. The beliefs that guy has on AIDS alone makes you lose faith in humanity really. How is it that people actively support and believe in these kinds of people? Seriously, explain it to me.

 

[essex man]

RFJ Jr. Need I say any more. The beliefs that guy has on AIDS alone makes you lose faith in humanity really. How is it that people actively support and believe in these kinds of people? Seriously, explain it to me.

A lot of people need someone to tell them what to think about certain things.
When the people they formerly trusted to do this (government /doctors/scientists)are so palpably proven to be in for themselves and lying , they turn elsewhere.
It's not really possible for rfj to make less sense than the gov/healthcare/pharma about covid.
When the bar is so low anyone can jump over it

 

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[ollie989898]

If I hear another fudging 'story' about DNA in the fudging vaccines.... And folk wonder why I don't watch videos? Why don't people actually read some google FFS. This stuff was discussed months ago. I should think twitter has some great quality discussion on this.


Problems with testing DNA using Qbit fluorimetry: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4777359/

Problems with testing DNA using QPCR: https://blog.biosearchtech.com/thebiosearchtechblog/bid/63622/qpcr-troubleshooting


But hey, lets go with there is shed loads of DNA in vaccines because Pfizer, a gazillion dollar clearly don't have a clue on what they are doing and some random youtube video features the one and only world expert on the technology.

DNA in vaccines: is this a new problem? Not really. I've a link for this but I will have to find it and post it at a later date.


Foreign DNA in the body is removed from cells very nicely: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277811/

DNA vaccine safety: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6631684/ (Published June 2019- before the pandemic of course for the conspiracy theorists out there).

Human trials of West Nile virus vaccine comprised of DNA: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18190252/ (published December 2007- where are the folk who were trying to tell us that all this vaccine technology is all brand new, never tested or some such bullcarp?).

And in other news, even better in fact, is the exciting development of DNA vaccines for coronaviruses, so those people allergic to mRNA can opt for those instead.