Ivermectin , covid cure

[Macsky]

It’s getting to the stage now where an email to your local MP/newspaper has to be worthwhile, making sure they are aware of the research available so far, and making the urgent case for our own trials in the UK. If ivermectin’s effects are as profound as some of the aforementioned research suggests, the implications are massive.

 

[Happy]

It’s getting to the stage now where an email to your local MP/newspaper has to be worthwhile, making sure they are aware of the research available so far, and making the urgent case for our own trials in the UK. If ivermectin’s effects are as profound as some of the aforementioned research suggests, the implications are massive.

Agree. Infection and death rates are rapidly getting out of hand.
Something drastic is going to have to be done if the NHS is going to have any hope of coping in the next few weeks.

Got my horse paste the other day just in case.

 

[Macsky]

Should maybe just check first, @Chopsy Varmint, are you still alive?

 

[smallholder99]

It’s getting to the stage now where an email to your local MP/newspaper has to be worthwhile, making sure they are aware of the research available so far, and making the urgent case for our own trials in the UK. If ivermectin’s effects are as profound as some of the aforementioned research suggests, the implications are massive.

by right we shouldnt be getting to this stage now,our authorities should of been investigating and doing trials from last march and over the summer and if it had proved effective it should of been rolled out before winter, makes you wonder if theyve got an alterior motive

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Should maybe just check first, @Chopsy Varmint, are you still alive?

Yes, thank you. I have been busy dealing with my correspondence.

I am very much alive and on top form, but have NFTR as regards my wormer experiment. All quiet on the virus front so far, despite having to go and work in areas of high covid cases around Essex and the M25 last week.

I'm taking my temperature daily so I get an idea of what is normal for me and first sign of it going up I shall be dosing myself again, but otherwise I'm not due another prophylactic dose until the end of the month.

Interestingly, it turns out that my temperature is normally quite low (so far I've not found it higher than 36.2°C testing under the tongue with two different thermometers, and as low as 35.5°C) so what is conventionally accepted as the high end of normal would be high and possibly infected for me. All very interesting stuff for science

 

[le bon paysan]

Got myself in a cleft stick last night , old chap had a stroke so ambulance got called , me , mother and 4 paramedics , kept as much distance as possible but any symptoms and the pour on will get poured ,
Bit of a bugger but what do you do .......

Very sorry to hear that H. Hope he gets better soon.

 

[Macsky]

by right we shouldnt be getting to this stage now,our authorities should of been investigating and doing trials from last march and over the summer and if it had proved effective it should of been rolled out before winter, makes you wonder if theyve got an alterior motive

It would be easy to cry ‘conspiracy’, but let’s never underestimate plain old stupidity, ignorance and pride.

 

[renewablejohn]

It’s getting to the stage now where an email to your local MP/newspaper has to be worthwhile, making sure they are aware of the research available so far, and making the urgent case for our own trials in the UK. If ivermectin’s effects are as profound as some of the aforementioned research suggests, the implications are massive.

Already done this by email to Andy Burnham last week but no response so far. To me it seems political with deals already done on vaccines but there only licensed for over 18's so my suggestion was to get schools back by giving Ivermectin to under 18's and then it would only need vaccines for teachers and associated workers to get all the schools back.

 

[smallholder99]

It would be easy to cry ‘conspiracy’, but let’s never underestimate plain old stupidity, ignorance and pride.

i havent studied the anti vaxers reasons and arguments against the vaccine, but are they aware of the potential of ivermectin

 

[Happy]

Already done this by email to Andy Burnham last week but no response so far. To me it seems political with deals already done on vaccines but there only licensed for over 18's so my suggestion was to get schools back by giving Ivermectin to under 18's and then it would only need vaccines for teachers and associated workers to get all the schools back.

I’d turn it on its head.
Why not give the old folk the ivermectin instead?

When you think about it it’s crazy giving all the care home residents the first available doses of vaccine. Why give it to the very people not going out and about spreading it through society?

Harsh reality is most of them are in the last two years of life. If they don’t die of Covid this year they’ll die of flu/pneumonia next year. Not meaning to be heartless in that, it’s a fact.

Would be far better giving it to the teachers, shop assistants, public transport workers followed by others sectors of society of working age to slow the spread.

Political suicide for Andy Burnham or any other politician to try and sell that one though.

 

[bobk]

I've not heard of any trials using moxidectin, which is closely related to ivermectin. However I did find this warning which you might find pertinent...
"Moxidectin has less affinity than ivermectin for P-glycoprotein, which allows it to penetrate the brain more easily to cause neurotoxicity than ivermectin."

A gene mutation in certain breeds of dog allows ivermectin to cross that blood/brain barrier, which makes it relatively toxic to those dogs, so I would be very careful with moxidectin, considering the above. Having said that, it can be and is used to treat humans in some locations. Not sure why they would choose to use it rather than ivermectin when there does not appear to be any nematode resistance to ivermectin recorded in humans as yet. The dose needed seems to be about double that of Ivermectin as well but I'm not sure what relevance that has to anything, considering that it is just a related but different chemical.

Did you apply the iver to the underside of your arm ? there's more blood vessels there

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

I’d turn it on its head.
Why not give the old folk the ivermectin instead?

When you think about it it’s crazy giving all the care home residents the first available doses of vaccine. Why give it to the very people not going out and about spreading it through society?

Harsh reality is most of them are in the last two years of life. If they don’t die of Covid this year they’ll die of flu/pneumonia next year. Not meaning to be heartless in that, it’s a fact.

Would be far better giving it to the teachers, shop assistants, public transport workers followed by others sectors of society of working age to slow the spread.

Political suicide for Andy Burnham or any other politician to try and sell that one though.

Yep. A friend's husband who is a virologist said the same way back in the spring, that as soon as a vaccine is available get it out into healthcare workers and others who are economically productive and at the higher end of the risk spectrum, then do younger workers, then everyone else and the old folks last as the vaccine may well be less effective for them anyway due to age-compromised immune response.

The management response to a pandemic should be for the good of the society as a whole for the long-term future but we have no-one in senior leadership prepared to put their political careers on the line.

 

[Doc]

The majority of your voters are over 40.
Who are you going to vaccinate first?

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

The majority of your voters are over 40.
Who are you going to vaccinate first?

The economically active 50 to 70 year olds. Then 35 to 49s, then 15 to 34s, then retired 60 to 70s, then 70 to 85s, then older if there are any left.

Then I shall retire when my party loses the GE and enjoy the financial benefits of a fat pension and a seat on the board of assorted financial and pharmaceutical companies, and history will eventually thank me for not trashing the economy necessitating tax rises and raids on hard-earned assets and saddling future generations with long term debt, and for being brave enough to make a hard decision.

 

[tepapa]

When the government has committed to X million doses of vaccines @ £Y's each.

It would be slightly embarrassing for then to then turn around and say "ahh well you see we can get ivermectin for a few pence each"
Would almost be as big a waste as track and trace.

 

[Macsky]

When the government has committed to X million doses of vaccines @ £Y's each.

It would be slightly embarrassing for then to then turn around and say "ahh well you see we can get ivermectin for a few pence each"
Would almost be as big a waste as track and trace.

I don’t know, they seem quite comfortable with waste.

 

[redsloe]

Yep. A friend's husband who is a virologist said the same way back in the spring, that as soon as a vaccine is available get it out into healthcare workers and others who are economically productive and at the higher end of the risk spectrum, then do younger workers, then everyone else and the old folks last as the vaccine may well be less effective for them anyway due to age-compromised immune response.

The management response to a pandemic should be for the good of the society as a whole for the long-term future but we have no-one in senior leadership prepared to put their political careers on the line.

Your probably correct with your first paragraph. However in this day and age how could you expect any politician to suggest such a thing? The press are like a hungry pack of dogs baying for blood at every turn, you only have to listen to radio 2 between 12 and 2 to realise how desperate for sensationalism and hypocritical they are.
If in 3 years it's proven to be "good for society" they ain't gonna be around to bask in any "glory".

 

[ridger]

Your probably correct with your first paragraph. However in this day and age how could you expect any politician to suggest such a thing? The press are like a hungry pack of dogs baying for blood at every turn, you only have to listen to radio 2 between 12 and 2 to realise how desperate for sensationalism and hypocritical they are.
If in 3 years it's proven to be "good for society" they ain't gonna be around to bask in any "glory".

I have almost stopped listening the radio. Every day the same crap. For a year

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Your probably correct with your first paragraph. However in this day and age how could you expect any politician to suggest such a thing? The press are like a hungry pack of dogs baying for blood at every turn, you only have to listen to radio 2 between 12 and 2 to realise how desperate for sensationalism and hypocritical they are.
If in 3 years it's proven to be "good for society" they ain't gonna be around to bask in any "glory".

I expect it's been discussed. It would be political career suicide for sure but would get us out of this effing mess with the least economic damage. Basking in glory doesn't come into it.

It's all hypothetical now. Public trust and compliance was lost with the trip to Barnard Castle and it's clear that the government's senior leadership is stuck on the ruinous lockdown cycle and unable to consider any alternative.

 

[Sir loin]

A vet once told me to get some Greek live yoghurt to give to a foal that had got Scours reel bad, because its mother was on heat at the time. Health food shops were in their infancy, Supermarkets had never heard of it and the only place I could get it was from a chemists. I told the owner what I was going to use it for, he was so impressed that he insisted I had it for free!
Worked a treat by introducing bacteria back into the foal’s stomach so that it could digest its mum’s milk again.

would that work for a scouring calf