Justifiable reasons for objecting to broiler houses

[Bruce Almighty]

On the edge of our village are 2 derelict chicken sheds, in the green belt and definitely not in-fill
They are on a 2 acre site
They were built in the 60s and last used about 2001
Since then they have self destructed

About 10 years ago the owner tried for planning to replace them and was rejected.
There was a village campaign against it then and there will soon be another one as the owner has re-applied for chicken sheds and a manager's house to go with it.
The original manager's house was sold off in the 70s or 80s
The owner lives about 5 miles away

Since the sheds were last used in 2001, 10 new houses have been built on an ex-council yard about 50 - 100 m away as the crow flies. Understandably the owners of these new homes strongly object.

My personal opinion is that if the owner had kept the sheds in decent condition, he would probably have got class Q permitted development.
But he didn't !

During the 10 years between applications, the owner has offered it to the County Council for a Gypsy & traveller site and also tried to get planning permission for 10 houses on it. He is determined to get something on it.

The villagers campaign has included noise, smell and animal welfare.
I understand the first 2 but think they are barking up the wrong tree with welfare.
How would the planners see it ?
Personally I oppose this application.
I am an ex- Parish Councillor with a lot of friends in the village

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Interesting.
what use class it is considered to be in now?

 

[chaffcutter]

A big objection to an application for chicken sheds on a greenfield site near us was on the grounds of traffic movements.

Didn’t work though, still got passed plus AD plant next door.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Interesting.
what use class it is considered to be in now?

Agricultural

"In my opinion" if he had kept the sheds in good order with chickens in them, then he would've got replacement sheds

But that's just my opinion

 

[teslacoils]

Welfare is not grounds to reject.
Noise and smell will have to have supporting surveys - if they say fine then it's fine.

 

[chickens and wheat]

Ammonia emmisions can play a part too, especially near SSSI's or listed buildings

 

[chickens and wheat]

Ammonia emmisions can play a part too, especially near SSSI's or listed buildings

 

[chickens and wheat]

Stupid phone

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Agricultural

"In my opinion" if he had kept the sheds in good order with chickens in them, then he would've got replacement sheds

But that's just my opinion

I’m no expert but I have done a lot of applications over the last few years.

I would say the condition of the buildings is of low importance, the use is Ag and that hasn’t changed. What other use class is there for old ag buikdings!? Neighbours can go swivel, they bought a place near ag buildings that were once chicken sheds!

The managers house is more dubious. The locals need to accept that some thing is going to happen there. If I was them I would welcome a few houses on the site but as always it’s no to anything before the questions is asked.

If I was the owner I’d put in planning for a gypsy site, chicken sheds and house as the same time and let the locals take their pick.

 

[roscoe erf]

@GeorgieB82

 

[roscoe erf]

it is what it is it does not lose its status just because it hasn't been used

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Well that’s my view.

Locals need to except that as it ain’t green field something needs to go there. Sounds like it’s been around longer than most of them!

Typical scenario though!?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Many locals support housing development on the site.
But it's a a ribbon strip in the green belt & if this gets planning, then why shouldn't any Tom Dick or Harry
Also lack of pavement to the village and its road access are identified as problems.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Many locals support housing development on the site.
But it's a a ribbon strip in the green belt & if this gets planning, then why shouldn't any Tom Dick or Harry
Also lack of pavement to the village and its road access are identified as problems.

I obv don’t know the site so hard to comment with certainty.

My point is it sounds like the locals are anti anything because they have got used to it lying dormant.

This is a good opportunity for the PC to come forward with a suggestion of what they would like to see there rather than just say no.

I’ve got a controversial plan going on, a lot of hysteria about in reality a small deal once built. I’m tempted to drop in an application for something 100 times bigger that may get planning just to prove a point that something is likely to happen there. It may focus the mind on ‘best of the bunch’ and get perspective better involved.

Keep us posted

 

[Bruce Almighty]

The PC have always maintained that is agricultural.

IMO the owner should've kept the sheds in reasonable condition & then could've got class Q.
But he didn't

I have no sympathy or support for the owner, some farmers make an effort to give farming good PR, others don't.
I'm sure you can guess which category this owner is in !

 

[Lofty1984]

On the edge of our village are 2 derelict chicken sheds, in the green belt and definitely not in-fill
They are on a 2 acre site
They were built in the 60s and last used about 2001
Since then they have self destructed

About 10 years ago the owner tried for planning to replace them and was rejected.
There was a village campaign against it then and there will soon be another one as the owner has re-applied for chicken sheds and a manager's house to go with it.
The original manager's house was sold off in the 70s or 80s
The owner lives about 5 miles away

Since the sheds were last used in 2001, 10 new houses have been built on an ex-council yard about 50 - 100 m away as the crow flies. Understandably the owners of these new homes strongly object.

My personal opinion is that if the owner had kept the sheds in decent condition, he would probably have got class Q permitted development.
But he didn't !

During the 10 years between applications, the owner has offered it to the County Council for a Gypsy & traveller site and also tried to get planning permission for 10 houses on it. He is determined to get something on it.

The villagers campaign has included noise, smell and animal welfare.
I understand the first 2 but think they are barking up the wrong tree with welfare.
How would the planners see it ?
Personally I oppose this application.
I am an ex- Parish Councillor with a lot of friends in the village

Why do you oppose it out of curiosity?

 

[betweenthelines]

I'll second that question

If a farmer gave up milking for a few years, would you object to him starting up again?

If you're ex Parish Council, I'd have thought you might know a bit about planning

 

[Doing it for the kids]

What he ought to do is get the planners to put in writing what use class the site is then try and get PP to move it to a better site?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Why do you oppose it out of curiosity?

I'm not really that bothered about it either way, but the owners past record of rats & smells is not good

I'll second that question

If a farmer gave up milking for a few years, would you object to him starting up again?

If you're ex Parish Council, I'd have thought you might know a bit about planning

Fair comment, I considered this point of view myself
The site is just 2 acres, he doesn't own any surrounding land so you wouldn't use this site for milking cows. Redundant dairy buildings wouldn't have fallen down like wooden poultry sheds.
I don't think this site is suitable for a modern broiler unit but I may be wrong
The owner is not "an average farmer" he has deliberately let the site go to rack & ruin to try & force planning. He's done it elsewhere before.
I also think some of the villagers objecting are nimbus & some of their reasons to object are inappropriate
The reason I stood down from PC was my wife being diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease

What he ought to do is get the planners to put in writing what use class the site is then try and get PP to move it to a better site?

He doesn't own any land near the site, he lives about 5 miles away

 

[robs1]

Near to me a old broiler unit has had planning approved for three houses, the sheds had started to fall down and have now being removed so it can be done with the right advice etc