kansas cattle/beast from east

[JP1]

I think we get labour units per head and total labour confused. Example, farmer Jones has 200 acre. Does all stock work himself and has to check them stone come what may. Farmer Smith has 2000 acres. Employs a stock manager and 2 stock workers. Including himself, that's 4 available workers. All able to cover sickness, holidays and emergencies. Just because the labour per head is lower doesn't mean that there's fewer staff.
The larger farm is also more likely to have the vet onsite regularly and a robust health plan as its spread over a higher head.
You get what I'm saying?

I do although I bet Mr Jones is a better stockman and lives for his animals

 

[beardface]

I do although I bet Mr Jones is a better stockman and lives for his animals

And why wouldn't the team who work farmer Smith be equally as good and committed? After all its there job?

 

[betweenthelines]

It's just a matter of degree

All livestock farming changes the way animals are kept (otherwise it would be called hunting)

Even sheep on the hill are stocked at higher than natural rates, that's why the have to be given feed (even if it's just a few blocks)

 

[Hilly]

Can i just mention scottish fish farming salmon, have a good look at that before condemning others .

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Wasn’t this more of a comparison to the Beast from the East

South Dakota blizzard kills, buries cows; shutdown leaves ranchers in the cold | CNN

Like in a scene from an apocalyptic parable, dark carcasses of cows and steers lie motionless in silent clusters across swaths of South Dakota.

edition.cnn.com

 

[neilo]

Wasn’t this more of a comparison to the Beast from the East

South Dakota blizzard kills, buries cows; shutdown leaves ranchers in the cold | CNN

Like in a scene from an apocalyptic parable, dark carcasses of cows and steers lie motionless in silent clusters across swaths of South Dakota.

edition.cnn.com

Certainly. That seemingly affected the cattle out on ranches, more than those stocked tightly on feedlots with good quality feed put in front of them constantly.

 

[Bury the Trash]

weve got plenty of hedgrows small fileds so beast from the East doesnt bother our sheep,one of the few advantages of smaller average filed size, for keeping livestock ,that and shade and paddock rotation without fannying around with electric fences too much.

 

[ollie989898]

I do although I bet Mr Jones is a better stockman and lives for his animals

Do you really believe that is always the case for smaller farms?

Mr Smith can hardly afford to run his 2000 acre farm and stock like a decrepit cess-hole- his creditors would have his shirt off his back.

 

[neilo]

weve got plenty of hedgrows small fileds so beast from the East doesnt bother our sheep,one of the few advantages of smaller average filed size, for keeping livestock ,that and shade and paddock rotation without fannying around with electric fences too much.

Of course, being in the South West and avoiding the worst of it would have helped too.

I still remember the pictures @Yale posted up at the time. I’m guessing he doesn’t have huge fields or rely on electric fencing either, but the conditions locally were horrendous.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Of course, being in the South West and avoiding the worst of it would have helped too.

I still remember the pictures @Yale posted up at the time. I’m guessing he doesn’t have huge fields or rely on electric fencing either, but the conditions locally were horrendous.

Actually we get our fair share, in the super cold spell of Feb early March 1985 we had Easterlies that were down to -22 in the wind that ,lasted for about 2 weeks.
Infact I remember explaining not long after to a group of Aussies how our hedgerows did the wind break thing as an advantage , mind you they said liked them ...but for the novelty i guess.

and Plenty of wind here the rest of the time from SW . .

 

[David1968]

I remember explaining not long after to a group of Aussies how our hedgerows did the wind break thing as an advantage ,

Lost a cow here during the beast from the east. Found her lying on the leeward side of a hedge, funnily enough...

 

[Al R]

2019, this happened in Australia, they were shooting them from helicopters to stop them suffering further from what I remember.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Lost a cow here during the beast from the east. Found her lying on the leeward side of a hedge, funnily enough...

Im talking about wind chill not snow/blizzard anyone knows leeward side of the hedge is bad news then .

other than that, Im afraid you cant tell me that a windbreak ' isnt helpful at lambing time and there after with small lambs

 

[David1968]

Im talking about wind chill not snow/blizzard anyone knows leeward side of the hedge is bad news then .

I don't think it was the 2 inches of snow that killed her

 

[spin cycle]

And why wouldn't the team who work farmer Smith be equally as good and committed? After all its there job?

cos farmer jones is a soft sod like the rest of us

 

[spin cycle]

Wasn’t this more of a comparison to the Beast from the East

South Dakota blizzard kills, buries cows; shutdown leaves ranchers in the cold | CNN

Like in a scene from an apocalyptic parable, dark carcasses of cows and steers lie motionless in silent clusters across swaths of South Dakota.

edition.cnn.com

2019, this happened in Australia, they were shooting them from helicopters to stop them suffering further from what I remember.View attachment 1043447

those events...like our 'beast from east' happened whilst animals were in their normal farmed environment......my contention is that those feedlots are not a 'normal environment' and indeed an exacerbating contributor to the large scale death

 

[Hilly]

weve got plenty of hedgrows small fileds so beast from the East doesnt bother our sheep,one of the few advantages of smaller average filed size, for keeping livestock ,that and shade and paddock rotation without fannying around with electric fences too much.

You should have been here and experienced the beast from the east , its was unbelievable.

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

those events...like our 'beast from east' happened whilst animals were in their normal farmed environment......my contention is that those feedlots are not a 'normal environment' and indeed an exacerbating contributor to the large scale death

What do you class as a normal farmed environment ? You could argue things stopped being normal when humans started growing crops and farming livestock several thousand years ago. Huge populations of people can’t be supported by Hunter gatherers.

 

[mwj]

Did anyone notice how clean and slick those cattle living in that horrible inhumane feedlot were? I seem to remember threads on this very forum asking for the best method to clip the caked on crap from your cattle so they were acceptable for slaughter. Some times people have very selective memory when it comes to stock care. Your cattle locked in small spaces over a long winter does not look very much like nature intended.

 

[spin cycle]

What do you class as a normal farmed environment ? You could argue things stopped being normal when humans started growing crops and farming livestock several thousand years ago. Huge populations of people can’t be supported by Hunter gatherers.

meh....take your point but a bit of tenuous arguement i think m8 TBH