Kelso sale averages

[Agrivator]

This gives guide as to the relative demand for various breeds. Just look at the average for Texel tup shearlings and
Blue faced Leicesters. And Lleyns!!!

https://borderunion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Results-Summary-for-Shearlings-2023_v2.pdf

 

[Woolless]

Strong trade in the face of a rather uninspiring fat price.

 

[ringi]

Are good Lleyn rams sold at other sales just leaving the buyers at Border Union who don't care?

Blue faced Leicesters price seems reasonable given how many generations of lambs from a mule can be improved with a better BFL ram.

 

[M-J-G]

Are good Lleyn rams sold at other sales just leaving the buyers at Border Union who don't care?

Blue faced Leicesters price seems reasonable given how many generations of lambs from a mule can be improved with a better BFL ram.

It's mostly the poorer Lleyns that go to Kelso, Carlisle is more their sale.

Edit.
Poorer is perhaps a bit harsh, but you know what I mean.

 

[M-J-G]

This gives guide as to the relative demand for various breeds. Just look at the average for Texel tup shearlings and
Blue faced Leicesters. And Lleyns!!!

https://borderunion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Results-Summary-for-Shearlings-2023_v2.pdf

The state of some of the Texel and Beltexs rams in the heat, I'd not be shocked if some of them didn't live long enough to see a new home.

The BFL won't have had such issues with the heat since they're fairly well used to it...

 

[neilo]

Are good Lleyn rams sold at other sales just leaving the buyers at Border Union who don't care?

Blue faced Leicesters price seems reasonable given how many generations of lambs from a mule can be improved with a better BFL ram.

Does it not depend how you define ‘better’, in all breeds?

The Texels are all better at Kelso, because they’ve been trimmed, whereas at Society sales they aren’t. Well apart from the bad mouthed ones, and the one bollocked ones of course…

 

[Tim W]

Strong trade in the face of a rather uninspiring fat price.

You've never had it so good
Average dwt
2015 £3.81/kg
2019 £4.16
2022 £5.67

 

[Woolless]

You've never had it so good
Average dwt
2015 £3.81/kg
2019 £4.16
2022 £5.67

What's your figure for 2022?

 

[Tim W]

What's your figure for 2022?

Listed above --£5.67/kg

 

[Ysgythan]

This gives guide as to the relative demand for various breeds. Just look at the average for Texel tup shearlings and
Blue faced Leicesters. And Lleyns!!!

https://borderunion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Results-Summary-for-Shearlings-2023_v2.pdf

Got 8 Texel gimmers to sell if you want a slice

 

[DrDunc]

Are good Lleyn rams sold at other sales just leaving the buyers at Border Union who don't care?

Blue faced Leicesters price seems reasonable given how many generations of lambs from a mule can be improved with a better BFL ram.

Lleyns don't really lend themselves to being thumped full of steeped beet pulp and cabbages in proper Kelso over the top pulpy kidney inducing, fertility reducing tup preparation

At least, not the Lleyns that lamb themselves outside, unassisted, and finish off grass, like the ones have here in the hills next to the heather

Dare say the ones crossed with texels for these new fangled modern indoor cesarean sheep farming methods will happily eat more concentrates, but the averages perhaps reflect the demand for that type of Lleyn tup?

 

[MJT]

Lleyns don't really lend themselves to being thumped full of steeped beet pulp and cabbages in proper Kelso over the top pulpy kidney inducing, fertility reducing tup preparation

At least, not the Lleyns that lamb themselves outside, unassisted, and finish off grass, like the ones have here in the hills next to the heather

Dare say the ones crossed with texels for these new fangled modern indoor cesarean sheep farming methods will happily eat more concentrates, but the averages perhaps reflect the demand for that type of Lleyn tup?

I don’t think it matters what the sheep breed is, they can still stuff them until they’re horses of things.

Some of the Welsh mountain or blackie rams at sales would have been fed just as much as some of the tups at Kelso, all it the pursuit of having the biggest tups in the sale, even if they were born and bred on side of mountain.

 

[M-J-G]

I don’t think it matters what the sheep breed is, they can still stuff them until they’re horses of things.

Some of the Welsh mountain or blackie rams at sales would have been fed just as much as some of the tups at Kelso, all it the pursuit of having the biggest tups in the sale, even if they were born and bred on side of mountain.

Yes they can all be stuffed, I've seen Blackie yearling rams on a hopper, and they stayed on it until sale day the following autumn.

 

[M-J-G]

Lleyns don't really lend themselves to being thumped full of steeped beet pulp and cabbages in proper Kelso over the top pulpy kidney inducing, fertility reducing tup preparation

At least, not the Lleyns that lamb themselves outside, unassisted, and finish off grass, like the ones have here in the hills next to the heather

Dare say the ones crossed with texels for these new fangled modern indoor cesarean sheep farming methods will happily eat more concentrates, but the averages perhaps reflect the demand for that type of Lleyn tup?

The Incheoch sheep seemed to sell pretty well, so there must still be a demand for the breed.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

This gives guide as to the relative demand for various breeds. Just look at the average for Texel tup shearlings and
Blue faced Leicesters. And Lleyns!!!

https://borderunion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Results-Summary-for-Shearlings-2023_v2.pdf

There will undoubtedly be some good Lleyns about but generally they seem to be going out of favour

 

[Ysgythan]

The serious point is that maternal breed tups are always going to struggle verses terminal. If you’re using a Lleyn as a terminal ask yourself some searching questions…

 

[M-J-G]

The serious point is that maternal breed tups are always going to struggle verses terminal. If you’re using a Lleyn as a terminal ask yourself some searching questions…

It's not that they struggle, it's just that they do a different job.

It's a bit like the bull job, terminal sells. Lim and Charolais are two of the top sellers, but as cows they leave a lot to be desired.

 

[Ysgythan]

Yes, they are crossing bulls who have a big crossing market. Lleyns don’t really have much of a crossing market so that instantly limits demand.

 

[Woolless]

Listed above --£5.67/kg

Sorry, brain fart moment

The point I was trying to make was that dw quotes are about £5.40 art the moment in the face of raised costs.

 

[easyram1]

This gives guide as to the relative demand for various breeds. Just look at the average for Texel tup shearlings and
Blue faced Leicesters. And Lleyns!!!

https://borderunion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Results-Summary-for-Shearlings-2023_v2.pdf

I think this just gives some interesting figs for sales in 1 particular location on one day and no more. 20 odd years ago Suffolks prided themselves on their preeminence in numbers and averages at Kelso . Today very much second placed to Texels but with 21% of all rams sold they are vastly above their national picture where they only represent 8% of sires used. Similarly Charolais are only 3% of total whereas they are 8% of rams used nationally. Obviously big Pedigree prices for all breeds can distort prices of individual breeds. As a ram seller I am cheered that the averages are up on last year. Interesting to see how Builth goes in comparison.