Kemble farms

[MrNoo]

Some people forget that this is a public forum with thousands of lurkers and they all know who most of the screen names are!

So they didn’t sell their dairy cattle then??
So Developments Ltd didn’t have Richard Tice as a director???
Kemble have staff, they talk, people talk!!!
It’s not rocket science to work out who I am, if that makes me a “gossip” then fine by me!! Lol

 

[ajd132]

So they didn’t sell their dairy cattle then??
So Developments Ltd didn’t have Richard Tice as a director???
Kemble have staff, they talk, people talk!!!
It’s not rocket science to work out who I am, if that makes me a “gossip” then fine by me!! Lol

Go and ask them, I’m sure they will tell you.

 

[MrNoo]

Go and ask them, I’m sure they will tell you.

Lol! I don’t need to, saw the lorries, seen the prices!!
I’m not bothered what they do!

 

[ajd132]

Lol! I don’t need to, saw the lorries, seen the prices!!
I’m not bothered what they do!

Don’t keep posting on forums about it if you don’t care…

 

[Two Tone]

Don’t keep posting on forums about it if you don’t care…

TBH, I don’t think that is entirely fair to say that to @MrNoo. Even though you also have ‘a’ weekend connection to the area, @MrNoo has a very strong/much stronger local connection to it.
Kemble Farms Dairy Farm is/was(!) an extremely well known and respected farm in the local area.
Many of us find it quite shocking as to what has happened to it.
I well remember being privileged to be able to judge it in farming competitions on several occasions and it is/was the ultimate Dairy farm benchmark.
I remember them investing over a £1 million pounds in machinery to make their own silage, without having to use a contractor and the process they had to go to to persuade the directors to borrow that money to be able to do so.

The staff were extremely dedicated and hard working and I wish them all well for the future.
The circumstances that caused this all were not their fault and it is happening all over the country.

I recently learned a of another farm in my old and your home county of Suffolk, not quite on the same scale as Kemble, that is ceasing Dairy production. Yet another situation where if I was smoking a pipe, I’d have bit the bloody end off of it on hearing that news!

Yet another sign of the times of a very famous farming business, totally fecked by circumstances beyond its control!

Not, I might add helped by fecking stupid ideas by this Government and certain Civil Servants, such as SFI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[s line]

TBH, I don’t think that is entirely fair to say that to @MrNoo. Even though you also have ‘a’ weekend connection to the area, @MrNoo has a very strong/much stronger local connection to it.
Kemble Farms Dairy Farm is/was(!) an extremely well known and respected farm in the local area.
Many of us find it quite shocking as to what has happened to it.
I well remember being privileged to be able to judge it in farming competitions on several occasions and it is/was the ultimate Dairy farm benchmark.
I remember them investing over a £1 million pounds in machinery to make their own silage, without having to use a contractor and the process they had to go to to persuade the directors to borrow that money to be able to do so.

The staff were extremely dedicated and hard working and I wish them all well for the future.
The circumstances that caused this all were not their fault and it is happening all over the country.

I recently learned a of another farm in my old and your home county of Suffolk, not quite on the same scale as Kemble, that is ceasing Dairy production. Yet another situation where if I was smoking a pipe, I’d have bit the bloody end off of it on hearing that news!

Yet another sign of the times of a very famous farming business, totally fecked by circumstances beyond its control!

Not, I might add helped by fecking stupid ideas by this Government and certain Civil Servants, such as SFI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well written.

 

[ajd132]

TBH, I don’t think that is entirely fair to say that to @MrNoo. Even though you also have ‘a’ weekend connection to the area, @MrNoo has a very strong/much stronger local connection to it.
Kemble Farms Dairy Farm is/was(!) an extremely well known and respected farm in the local area.
Many of us find it quite shocking as to what has happened to it.
I well remember being privileged to be able to judge it in farming competitions on several occasions and it is/was the ultimate Dairy farm benchmark.
I remember them investing over a £1 million pounds in machinery to make their own silage, without having to use a contractor and the process they had to go to to persuade the directors to borrow that money to be able to do so.

The staff were extremely dedicated and hard working and I wish them all well for the future.
The circumstances that caused this all were not their fault and it is happening all over the country.

I recently learned a of another farm in my old and your home county of Suffolk, not quite on the same scale as Kemble, that is ceasing Dairy production. Yet another situation where if I was smoking a pipe, I’d have bit the bloody end off of it on hearing that news!

Yet another sign of the times of a very famous farming business, totally fecked by circumstances beyond its control!

Not, I might add helped by fecking stupid ideas by this Government and certain Civil Servants, such as SFI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is just another load of speculation, nothing stays the same, stuff always changes. Anyway I’m going to cease commenting on it this now.

 

[gatepost]

Well I too have my connections, and I expect that some comments are quite close to the truth, however I think what we are really talking about is not particularly Kemble, but the the fact that however big you get (if that floats your boat) the supposed economies of scale, often come with a set of growing inefficiencies often associated with the physical difficulties, that come with a densely populated country made up of small fields/lanes and villages and scattered by default land parcels, the opposite which is my business model (if you can call it that!) also comes with its own set of limitations, and strengths, but I do remember my conversation with a bank manager years ago, ''if I walk into a farm yard and every thing is just so, plenty of concrete, new kit etc, alarm bells ring''.

 

[Two Tone]

Well written.

To be fair and TBH, I might have just privately learned something that has changed my perception about the true situation re Kemble farms. Some of that news is a great relief to hear too!

Whatever the reality is, few of us can be anything other than concerned by what has happened and want to pass on our best wishes for the future to everybody involved.

 

[som farmer]

l know zilch about Kemble farms

but, l am interested in the why, because that has effects on all of us. Rumours abound, when any 'big' dairy sells up, as quite a few have. It could indicate economy of scale, doesn't/isn't working, as, we are told it should.

if that is correct, and l presume, labour, lack of return, better uses of money invested, are major causes of decisions to cease, that increases the reliance on the smaller family farms.

lt is that, and its effect, on us, that interests me, positively, or negatively.

 

[Hilly]

l know zilch about Kemble farms

but, l am interested in the why, because that has effects on all of us. Rumours abound, when any 'big' dairy sells up, as quite a few have. It could indicate economy of scale, doesn't/isn't working, as, we are told it should.

if that is correct, and l presume, labour, lack of return, better uses of money invested, are major causes of decisions to cease, that increases the reliance on the smaller family farms.

lt is that, and its effect, on us, that interests me, positively, or negatively.

Economy of scale has a limit, beyond family size it becomes very uneconomic imo . The family
Size is most economic size .

 

[robs1]

l know zilch about Kemble farms

but, l am interested in the why, because that has effects on all of us. Rumours abound, when any 'big' dairy sells up, as quite a few have. It could indicate economy of scale, doesn't/isn't working, as, we are told it should.

if that is correct, and l presume, labour, lack of return, better uses of money invested, are major causes of decisions to cease, that increases the reliance on the smaller family farms.

lt is that, and its effect, on us, that interests me, positively, or negatively.

Once a farm becomes a business with shareholders and accountants that look at ROI every one should sell stock etc and use the buildings for industrial uses, farming is more than money though so most carry on, pretending it's a good return on their money and time doing a job they enjoy until one day all the red tractor and labour hassles get to much and they say f**k it

 

[ajd132]

Economy of scale has a limit, beyond family size it becomes very uneconomic imo . The family
Size is most economic size .

Economies of scale does work, but many (especially arable contract farmers) get stuck in the middle of tranches it takes to work.
You need to be around each level.
for arable I think it’s 1500ha, 3000ha etc. we are slightly caught in the middle as need a contract combine to come and cut 300ha. However for next year I am growing 400ha of triticale for AD which kind of sorts that and takes the sweet spot to around 2000ha which we are at.

 

[Hilly]

Economies of scale does work, but many (especially arable contract farmers) get stuck in the middle of tranches it takes to work.
You need to be around each level.
for arable I think it’s 1500ha, 3000ha etc. we are slightly caught in the middle as need a contract combine to come and cut 300ha. However for next year I am growing 400ha of triticale for AD which kind of sorts that and takes the sweet spot to around 2000ha which we are at.

Still family size opperation in arable tho isnt it ?

 

[ajd132]

Still family size opperation in arable tho isnt it ?

Not for us. Depends how big the family is and if they actually want to farm. Lots of family farms are full of people who don’t want to be there.

 

[Sid]

Economies of scale does work, but many (especially arable contract farmers) get stuck in the middle of tranches it takes to work.
You need to be around each level.
for arable I think it’s 1500ha, 3000ha etc. we are slightly caught in the middle as need a contract combine to come and cut 300ha. However for next year I am growing 400ha of triticale for AD which kind of sorts that and takes the sweet spot to around 2000ha which we are at.

Bit like milking with robots,60,120,180,240.

Arable is so many hectares per combine,give or take depending on cropping, etc

 

[Hilly]

Is a dairy farm with 30 members employed staff efficient ? Or would 15 farms with one employee each be more efficient. ??

 

[Hilly]

Once a farm becomes a business with shareholders and accountants that look at ROI every one should sell stock etc and use the buildings for industrial uses, farming is more than money though so most carry on, pretending it's a good return on their money and time doing a job they enjoy until one day all the red tractor and labour hassles get to much and they say f**k it

I think we are on the brink of a time when alot more saying fuk it than normal ….

 

[ajd132]

Is a dairy farm with 30 members employed staff efficient ? Or would 15 farms with one employee each be more efficient. ??

It really depends. Lots of family farms do not value their own labour properly whatsoever and are happy to be on way below minimum wage. It’s fine to do that but it’s not realistic.

 

[Hilly]

It really depends. Lots of family farms do not value their own labour properly whatsoever and are happy to be on way below minimum wage. It’s fine to do that but it’s not realistic.

efficient tho