Kemper

[shag]

Will a Kemper 300 series do both wholecrop and maize successfully or do I need a specialist header for both?

 

[matttargett4]

Maize is no problem, whole crop is a little different, clean standing wheat which is nice and thick is ok especially if you aren't worried about cutting tight to the ground, if you have scruffy, thin, flat or nothing else wheat or want to go fast forget it, all you'll do it wreck the header and boil your blood.

Bottom line for me with keeper wholecrop was if it looked like a nice arable crop, you werent in a rush and didn't want to shave the dirt it's ok, much else isn't.

Plus series is supposed to be better but they still only cut the nice stuff

A 5k forschitt is the tool if you don't have much to do or there are a few class discos in the middle teens now

 

[vinnie123]

Triple mowers with groupers is the best way forward, minimal losses in swath. 9metres at a time and if there is any grass, weeds etc in bottom no need to worry about poxy header blocking/bulldozing etc. Forschritt is ok in an arable crop but chuck a bit of green stuff at it and it plays right up!

 

[shag]

Thank you to mattargett4 and Vinnie 123.......I was beginning to think my question was too boring to answer...we do a bit of work for 2 AD plants and one in particular didn't want us to use triples because of head loss, would you agree with this?

I have heard that the 300 series does a scruffy job on iffy wholecrops.....so stick with the Orbis and get a wholecrop header?

 

[Ducati899]

kemper is fine if the conditions are perfect as said above,my uncle runs a class 620 direct disc for wholcrop and you won't beat that in my opinion

 

[shag]

That's good to know.....will it handle a tall,thick crop of Rye? only a competitor of mine with a Krone forager and Krone wholecrop header came unstuck with a particularly thick and tall crop which he ended up mowing and baling!!

 

[Ducati899]

How tall you talking? I've never seen his in rye,is the krone a similar header?

 

[shag]

Pretty much.....a mower bed with an auger behind it....I have been looking at wholecrop headers like the Dominoni from Italy...they tend to have augers with a big diameter which gives a better flow and less blockages....I've been told the new Claas wholecrop header has a bigger diameter auger...maybe that's the way to go.

 

[Ducati899]

Yeah i looked at that new one at agritechnica and noticed the bigger auger

 

[shag]

I think I'll go for one of those and update my existing Orbis......I've got a surplus combine for 2016 so they can have that as a swap.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Speedstar]

If you get in a very big crop of rye & some of it is laying over a bit then a Kemper will be the only thing to cut it with , we have a direct cut disc header on our forager , does a good job in most crops but rye is a who new ball game.

 

[CPP]

If you are looking to update a orbis kemper is the way
It cuts whole rye very well
But it does leave stubble a little un tidy for some

The newer design 300 plus works and clean well

Search kemper on YouTube and it will show some good videos

 

[shag]

Thanks for that.......what sort of machine do you run Speedstar? If the new Kemper does a good clean job then it would be preferable because here's no messing with taking headers on and off and you would be cutting 7.5m or 9m instead of just over 6m with a wholecrop header.

 

[Speedstar]

We run a claas 890 forager & a 520 disc header, We are thinking of going on to a kemper with the next forager & if there is a lot of rye to chop it is the only way to go.

 

[DGC1]

re hybrid rye, is there anyone cutting a big ha using either a kemper or triple mowers/groupers at the moment or has trialled it? or is everyone using claas 520 disc headers or krone xdisc's? we are running bigX1100 and 6.2m xdisc and it does soak up the power but it normally only sits in the 800/900hp bracket- past that you can't push the header any further. looking to trial krone triples with groupers or bigM and lift with grass header in 2016 as not sure kemper would leave it tidy enough

 

[snowhite]

for the kemper you have to change a gear box as they work at a different speed

 

[Speedstar]

re hybrid rye, is there anyone cutting a big ha using either a kemper or triple mowers/groupers at the moment or has trialled it? or is everyone using claas 520 disc headers or krone xdisc's? we are running bigX1100 and 6.2m xdisc and it does soak up the power but it normally only sits in the 800/900hp bracket- past that you can't push the header any further. looking to trial krone triples with groupers or bigM and lift with grass header in 2016 as not sure kemper would leave it tidy enough

Triples with groupers will not work so well for a A/D plants as it will lose a far amount of grain off the head,& if it gets wet you have a big problem, After look at a few different contractors in Europe who do a lot of A/D work they all said for hybrid rye use a Kemper, in a 40 tons to the hec crop it was killing a 1000hp forager as there was so much crop going in to it to chop down to 4mm.

 

[Speedstar]

this was a 40 ton per hec crop.

 

[DGC1]

Triples with groupers will not work so well for a A/D plants as it will lose a far amount of grain off the head,& if it gets wet you have a big problem, After look at a few different contractors in Europe who do a lot of A/D work they all said for hybrid rye use a Kemper, in a 40 tons to the hec crop it was killing a 1000hp forager as there was so much crop going in to it to chop down to 4mm.

granted you could only cut if the forecast was good
(in catchy weather the xdisc could be used)
i doubt that grain loss would be an issue when its green and not getting raked.
up until this season we have mowed the wholecrop with kuhn triples and raked it for the wagons- the grain loss has been tiny. (must be done at the right stage before it gets too ripe)
i do think that the kemper may be the answer but its expensive and could be costly from a maintenance point of view.
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xdisc is built like a tank and i worry that a kemper could be troublesome down the line- reliability with a big rye ha to pit is crucial
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i think that maybe only the krone bigM type auger groupers would handle the bulk and that the belt type groupers may struggle.
ANYONE PUT RYE THROUGH THEIR BIGM??

 

[Speedstar]

granted you could only cut if the forecast was good
(in catchy weather the xdisc could be used)
i doubt that grain loss would be an issue when its green and not getting raked.
up until this season we have mowed the wholecrop with kuhn triples and raked it for the wagons- the grain loss has been tiny. (must be done at the right stage before it gets too ripe)
i do think that the kemper may be the answer but its expensive and could be costly from a maintenance point of view.
--
xdisc is built like a tank and i worry that a kemper could be troublesome down the line- reliability with a big rye ha to pit is crucial
--
i think that maybe only the krone bigM type auger groupers would handle the bulk and that the belt type groupers may struggle.
ANYONE PUT RYE THROUGH THEIR BIGM??

One thing you have over looked is the soil you will get in it with mowing & you pick up reel on your forager & soil and A/D plants do do work together,All so the rye you will be cutting with have had slurry put on it in the tramlines , by tanker or umbilical cord & the fields will not be so smooth so you make need to leave 4" of stubble or so on it, which is about right for Kemper,all so rye comes on very fast,. can go from the right stage for a A/D plant to needing mill with in 7 to 10 days if you have 2000 acres of it to cut with in 2 weeks you will find it hard to get it right & if mowing grain loss will be a problem,Yes a Kemper is a lot of money but what is the point in have a 1100hp chopper & not working it to the max ?, Jump on a plane & go to Europe & see how they do it.We were asked to price for few A/D plants & I know they all want to job done for nothing & in time if the chop is not right or there is soil in the crop etc you will have money taken off you for this as it will go the same as in other parts of the world were you are paid to do the job by the cube/meter of gas it makes.