Kuhn CCI box with Agleader/AFS750/X20

[JonL]

Nothing's ever straightforward is it!

Currently run an Axis 40.1W and have used it with different VR controllers - X20/N sensor, Agleader Integra, Trimble Juno. We also have a Case AFS750 screen in our main spreader tractor, but haven't used this with the spreader.

Looking to replace this spreader with a 40.2W and want to have GPS auto-shutoff control as part of the new package. Seems there is quite a choice of control boxes but some compatibility issues with what I have currently.

I need to be able to control the spreader with N sensor. I would like to be able to control VRA P&K with the Agleader/750 depending on what tractor the spreader is on. But I'm told that neither can do auto-shutoff and that I can't have 1 box controlling the VRA (ie Agleader or 750) and 1 box (ie Kuhn CCI) controlling the auto-shutoff. To be honest I'm not convinced, particularly as I understand that the X20/N sensor will work and at the end of the day they're all outputting a spread rate via LH5000 protocol. And most boxes will out put a NEMA(?) GPS signal?

I guess the short version is can I use an X20/750/Integra doing VRA with a Kuhn CCI doing GPS shutoff and spreader control?

 

[Wheatseeker]

I don't think the CCi supports serial rate control. You could do it with a Quantron though.
If your 750 isn't unlocked for VRA already, the cost of unlocking it wouldn't be much different to unlocking VRA in the CCi.
Advantage then is all your offsets are stored with fertiliser types and select together. Also no third party element when the Kuhn side isn't working as it should.
If your Integra is unlocked for Isobus and has VR,which I think they all do, you could either use it instead of a CCi or set up a slave and master with it. Downside to that again is third party involvement when things not happening.

 

[homefarm]

Getting someone who knows how each screen works together, and then more important can tell/teach you how they work together has been our problem
The spreader is great. The knowledge transfer is not.

See two other threads,
Kuhn Spreader update and Kuhn are c**p

 

[drifter]

@JonL
Hardware 1 & 2 versions – as at Apr2014 , the majority of
these will be HW 1 – HW2 differs in that all ancillary plugs &
sockets are on a loom lead & not attached to the box itself
Required is KUHN Part
no 1288033, retail
price £** (apr 2014)
which is the same
RS232 cable set used
for a GPS receiver for auto shut off etc - & that connects to
port ‘RS232- i’ (HW1) or‘D1’(HW2) on the CCi box
Connect to ‘RS232- ii’ (HW1) or‘D2’(HW2) for Variable Rate
For Hardware 2 the signal connection loom Kuhn part number of 1288021 and a retail price of £***.
FIRMWARE:
All KUHN CCi Boxes should have CCI CONTROL & CCI CONVERT
Apps unlocked – however they might need activating by a
KUHN dealer before they can be used – this should be FOC.
The icons will then show up on the setup menu – press ‘house’
button on CCi Front panel (below screen) Once

Jonathan these instructions were written for connecting a SOYL opti to the CCI terminal which worked very well. As you say it is only required to see LH5000 string which the Nsensor outputs. For you VR p & k files ask for them in ISOXML format, nothing fancy about that load them onto the box then select from the task menu. Only thing to watch for and this has even caught out one Kuhn guy that i know of is that when a map loads onto the screen it displays the application quantities in mg/m2 not kg/ha as you would expect. Dont be phased with this and dont try adjusting the prescription thinking that it is wrong as said kuhn guy did multiplying the map by 100% then watching in horror as the hopper empties rather quickly! Its a quirk of the terminal, once you move or and this is detected by the terminal the application rate changes to kg/ha.
Once you get your head around it, and dont be tempted to print out the instruction manual, if you're interested i do have one wedging a door shut, the cci terminal isn't actually that bad. Coming from another perspective you could always purchase TUVR from Trimble and run the spreader from a Quantron E2 box. TUVR (trimble universal variable rate) then controlls the VR application into the quantron and also does the section control for the machine. I'm not entirely sure how this would then work from the Nsensor as you would have two inputs into the Quantron E2

 

[JonL]

Thanks for that. To be honest I'm leaning more and more towards a Kverneland spreader as connectivity seems so much easier.

I don't suppose you happen to know if auto section control works the same whether controlled by Kuhn/KV box or a 3rd part ISOBUS box e.g. Agleader or AFS700?