KV 25's or Super Hydreins?

[OGB]

I know this is pointed towards the world style men, but, what's everyone's preference with regards to boards? Some people I talk to say that no. 25 boards are the must have for best results, whilst others super hydreins? Were 25's and super hydreins made specifically for competition ploughing...

 

[Ley253]

I await the results here with interest, having just changed from supers to 25`s! I believe the supers were comp specials, but the 25 seems to need too much "tweaking" for it to have been a comp item. Might find out at Sheepy!

 

[OGB]

I await the results here with interest, having just changed from supers to 25`s! I believe the supers were comp specials, but the 25 seems to need too much "tweaking" for it to have been a comp item. Might find out at Sheepy!

what's your reasoning for changing then? Everyone seems to say 25's are the crème de la crème, but again require modifying.
Sheepy should be a good match I imagine it to be busy considering the vast majority of others are cancelled up and the country

 

[OGB]

what modifications are usually needed on 25's? Or is it a trade secret... every ploughmen is different/different preferences

 

[Ley253]

what modifications are usually needed on 25's? Or is it a trade secret... every ploughmen is different/different preferences

I have been informed that the pitch of the entire body needs to be reduced, and that after this has been done, metal has to be removed from the bottom of the boards to stop them steering the plough. The bulge behind the share also should be reduced.
I changed because I had been chasing a fault for many years , and it looked as though I would have to replace most of the parts of the bodies, to find/cure it, if that had to be done, it made sense to upgrade. I am not at all sure that the upgrade was a good idea, but fitting all the new parts did show up the fault I could not find!
I intend to be at Sheepy, in addition to the match, I have some tractor parts to collect from the area.

 

[Bignor Farmer]

I would say most people are running some sort of barstewardised 25s.
In a nutshell they need a bit of altering to clean the furrow bottom and press the slice a bit firmer. I’ve seen them lengthened at the share end and all sorts of extensions on the rear.
A lot of people also have a strip along the top of the board to catch the small amount of soil that tries to jump over as well as influencing how the soil folds off the top of the board.

I guess a lot of it comes down to trial and error and Exactly what the ploughman is looking for.

 

[Bignor Farmer]

Didn’t write barstewardised

 

[OGB]

I have been informed that the pitch of the entire body needs to be reduced, and that after this has been done, metal has to be removed from the bottom of the boards to stop them steering the plough. The bulge behind the share also should be reduced.
I changed because I had been chasing a fault for many years , and it looked as though I would have to replace most of the parts of the bodies, to find/cure it, if that had to be done, it made sense to upgrade. I am not at all sure that the upgrade was a good idea, but fitting all the new parts did show up the fault I could not find!
I intend to be at Sheepy, in addition to the match, I have some tractor parts to collect from the area.

Love to know your thoughts in due course as to which you prefer. ...following and reading your threads for such a while using Supers, I would imagine it will take a bit of getting used to??

 

[OGB]

I would say most people are running some sort of barstewardised 25s.
In a nutshell they need a bit of altering to clean the furrow bottom and press the slice a bit firmer. I’ve seen them lengthened at the share end and all sorts of extensions on the rear.
A lot of people also have a strip along the top of the board to catch the small amount of soil that tries to jump over as well as influencing how the soil folds off the top of the board.

I guess a lot of it comes down to trial and error and Exactly what the ploughman is looking for.

Mr Chappell I have noticed using those strips... can't say I've seen to many others ..Assuming though that modified, set up to ploughman's own specific requirements/ preferences 25's are the creme Dr la crème of boards for world style??

 

[Ley253]

Love to know your thoughts in due course as to which you prefer. ...following and reading your threads for such a while using Supers, I would imagine it will take a bit of getting used to??

I feel the same, I dont think I will be changing much, need to learn how to use it first! I have seen Davids plastic extensions, also other peoples welded on version.As I was having trouble getting the slice to fill the board, spillage is not a problem as yet. In the small amount of practise I have managed, the furrow shape does seem to be closer to the approved model, time, and a few matches will tell.

 

[ploughman1963]

I have always disliked the work produced by a 25 unless highly modified like Ashley Boyles for instance. For my money, they just dont compare to the rounded furrow left by a more cylindrical/convex body. My problem with them is that the 25 seems to spend the first 1/4 of the board shattering/breaking the furrow slice and the last 3/4 trying to pack it all back together. In my view, you want to cut the slice whole with a good clean share and then maintain it whole as it rotates and pack it in next to its neighbour. You cant achieve the same firmness with a 25 - in my opinion.

 

[Bignor Farmer]

I have always disliked the work produced by a 25 unless highly modified like Ashley Boyles for instance. For my money, they just dont compare to the rounded furrow left by a more cylindrical/convex body. My problem with them is that the 25 seems to spend the first 1/4 of the board shattering/breaking the furrow slice and the last 3/4 trying to pack it all back together. In my view, you want to cut the slice whole with a good clean share and then maintain it whole as it rotates and pack it in next to its neighbour. You cant achieve the same firmness with a 25 - in my opinion.

I think you’re right, in dry/chunky conditions the furrow will be broken and lack a bit of firmness and definition.

In sand they leave a very distinct triangle pressed very firm on one side to a sharp peak and completely loose on the other side.

I always liked the rounded furrow that the dowdswell makes, not sure what the body is called?

 

[ploughman1963]

Unmodified 25’s show up every change in speed and start/stop which Looks awful I think. I decided to build my own boards - you’ve got to enjoy looking back at your own ploughing

 

[Ley253]

Oh dear! The experts(and they are) opinion is not quite what I needed to hear!Coupled with the long running disaster last spring and then Covid cancellations have been, it now appears that I have invested heavily in making my plough worse! I can bend, weld and cut as required, but incentive is, to say the least, lacking!

 

[Boohoo]

I think you’re right, in dry/chunky conditions the furrow will be broken and lack a bit of firmness and definition.

In sand they leave a very distinct triangle pressed very firm on one side to a sharp peak and completely loose on the other side.

I always liked the rounded furrow that the dowdswell makes, not sure what the body is called?

That'll be the Dowdeswell YCN Very Special, how much of the original YCN Special remains will depend on whose plough you're looking at.

 

[OGB]

That'll be the Dowdeswell YCN Very Special, how much of the original YCN Special remains will depend on whose plough you're looking at.

Assuming this is the board Andrew Mitchell used?

 

[Boohoo]

Assuming this is the board Andrew Mitchell used?

Their boards are heavily modified but there's likely a bit of ycn special in there somewhere. It's nice looking work, certainly stands out in a field full of Kvernelands.

 

[OGB]

Sorry about the bad angle on the photo, but can anybody advise if these have been altered

 

[ploughman1963]

As far as I can tell those are un-altered

 

[OGB]

As far as I can tell those are un-altered

thanks, just wanted to get opinions on them... I've been offered a play with this plough, but it would be the first time ploughing with 25's! … and in my view would be better to start with a factory / off the shelf product to set a datum / benchmark and progress from there. …altering and tweaking as required.. as said before, ploughmen alter there ploughs/ boards to suit there own needs over many years...