La mieux methode pour préparer le gigot d'agneau

Walterp

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Pembrokeshire
In the 1970's the 'Farmers' Weekly' was more interested in France and its agriculture than it ever is today - a sign (as if any were needed) of the contemporary insularity of English farmers.

Back then, la France profonde was portrayed as a land of scattered peasant holdings, with Jacques scratching a bare living from a few hectares and a handful of cows. It was, to some, a reassuring picture of Continental backwardness, which flattered by comparison - in 1970 the English farmer could aspire to a new Range Rover, whilst poor old Jacques would make do with a Citroen 'deux chevaux' (first produced 1948) whose unpretentious claim to fame was that it could be driven over a ploughed field without smashing a crate of eggs.

In the here-and-now, those same UK farmers who have struggled in the meantime to buy a few more acres are unlikely to read Press features about how Jacques fils has fared. Encouraged by Government policy and social norms, he has often multiplied his acreage and, thus, kept France as a World player in the production and export of crops, food and drink.

This pragmatism works both ways: when faced with unwelcome competition, French farmers would hijack and burn UK lamb imports whilst les gendarmes (who are fairly heavily armed) looked on, impassive. The last UK farm demonstrators I recall were intercepted by the Police en route to a protest, and threatened with the impounding of their Range Rovers if they continued to the dock-side - they turned back. (I hope the new model Defender has a seat design that allows room for farmers' tails).

Those old pictures of UK lamb roasting gently on an open road in rural France were re-awakened by the info that France has just recruited hundreds of extra douaniers to enforce tariff and non-tariff barriers to UK exports. The national schools (at Tourcoing et à La Rochelle) are operating full-pelt.

Which brings me back to insularity - and the sheep farmers on TFF who appear to believe that the international lamb trade is in the natural order of things.

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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
When I lived in France 20 years ago, rural areas suffered the kind of deprivation we associate with inner city areas here. The government couldn't persuade its youth to stay on the land even with 0% loans. From what I could see, years of clinging on to the maintaining of the peasantry at the cost of rationalisation and efficiency had caused many small rural business to finally go over the cliff edge. Amalgamations then came about with indecent haste, many years after such realism had been acknowledged by UK agriculture which as far as I could see was always about 20 years ahead of French agriculture in terms of commercial realism, however painful that might be for us here on the ground.

British lamb sells well in France I believe under the St George brand. It sells well because it's a quality product. There might be a disjoint for a while till the dust settles, but as they used to say on telly, "please do not adjust your sets, normal service will resume shortly."
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
EID.
All the local abbatoirs, which had served us perfectly well for years, closed because of EU directives.
Ramadan :scratchhead:

Grandfather had a small local abattoir … he used to supply Smithfield which suited it, Then as supermarkets began to expand it gradually became unviable. Demise of the Railways didn't help either...
Our best local family run Abattoir L Maunder sold out and it stopped killing all except poultry by the new owners… EU regs weren't to blame as far as I know.....
Others locally are sold and turned into housing estates... as theres more money to be made like that
Staff shortages could be the next major obstacle for them..
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Oh yes, staff shortages.

British lorry drivers won't work for £100 a day. Bulgarian drivers will. Anybody ever thought of why this might be?

The British driver has British living costs to meet.

The Bulgarian driver lives in a caravan on site or shares a house with a dozen others and sends most of his wages home where a days wages here is the equivalent of a weeks wages there, so he's a winner.

If the Bulgarian driver had British living costs he wouldn't be working for £100 per day either.

Presumably the powers that be expect the British driver to take Bulgarian living wage and make up the shortfall he needs to sustain British living costs from his savings?

Just as British farmers will be expected to compete with foreign imports while being saddled with higher costs and tighter regulations.

And they wonder why the yellow vests were out in the streets.

If Brexit was anything it was a protest at the complete lack of empathy our government has for the natives, whilst everything possible is done to improve profit margins for global multinationals.
 

digger64

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Oh yes, staff shortages.

British lorry drivers won't work for £100 a day. Bulgarian drivers will. Anybody ever thought of why this might be?

The British driver has British living costs to meet.

The Bulgarian driver lives in a caravan on site or shares a house with a dozen others and sends most of his wages home where a days wages here is the equivalent of a weeks wages there, so he's a winner.

If the Bulgarian driver had British living costs he wouldn't be working for £100 per day either.

Presumably the powers that be expect the British driver to take Bulgarian living wage and make up the shortfall he needs to sustain British living costs from his savings?

Just as British farmers will be expected to compete with foreign imports while being saddled with higher costs and tighter regulations.

And they wonder why the yellow vests were out in the streets.

If Brexit was anything it was a protest at the complete lack of empathy our government has for the natives, whilst everything possible is done to improve profit margins for global multinationals.
Brilliantly put , thought I was the only one who could see this sometimes ,
High value currency which we have due to not being in the euro - people come from abroad very willingly to work here and local wages kept down but things keep going , products values kept down due to lack of export demand - whilst imported luxury goods cheaper
Regulations rigorously implemented - jobs for the hangers on
planing restrictions and housing benefits - high property prices and high rental income and demand guaranteed .
And if you are doing well out this you could always invest in something and get money for doing nothing and avoid tax .
A cunning plan maybe , that might get scuppered ?
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
EID.
All the local abbatoirs, which had served us perfectly well for years, closed because of EU directives.
Perhaps you mean electronic identification :scratchhead:
…. well I reckon things like that are and will revolutionise sheep keeping all the unproductive stuff is known about and not given house room ...ime that and the atv has made the sheep job heck of a lot easier and quicker.
Hopefully you are right and after this year things will settle again, either way we will adjust. (y)
Adapting to and coping with, change is the key.
 
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Ashtree

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The gallantry and egalitarianism of messers Boris and Mogg, is so inspiring. How they have rallied to the cause and shown such heartfelt empathy for the downtrodden English working class.
 

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