Land for spring barley

[j6891]

What's a reasonable rent to charge for spring barely ground? Central scotland so decent arable land. How do people work out who takes the straw and what value is on it? Would I be able to sign someone up for say 5 years so a bit of a stable agreement or is it too variable and they won't be keen for that. Up to 100 acres so I can do a bit more work off farm so decent area. TIA

 

[Brisel]

A tonne of spring barley, or £120 at today's forward values.

Edit; Assumes the tenant claims BPS. Let's face it, it's a tenancy not a licence.

 

[Frodo]

Based on a yield 2.25tonnes/acre and 1 tonne of straw, I get a gross margin after stubble to stubble contracting of around £100/acre. Split that 50:50 and the landlord keeps all subsidy.

Its not a bad return for the couple of hours work a year that it actually takes to grow the stuff.

 

[Chae1]

What's a reasonable rent to charge for spring barely ground? Central scotland so decent arable land. How do people work out who takes the straw and what value is on it? Would I be able to sign someone up for say 5 years so a bit of a stable agreement or is it too variable and they won't be keen for that. Up to 100 acres so I can do a bit more work off farm so decent area. TIA

I'd put a value of £30/acre on the straw, based on current value of £50/t. Sure someone would be keen to take it for 5 years. Will it need lime? Field size, stones? Will have a bearing on rental value. I'd say roughly £60/acre and they get to keep straw.

You keep subsidy.

 

[jon115r]

Based on a yield 2.25tonnes/acre and 1 tonne of straw, I get a gross margin after stubble to stubble contracting of around £100/acre. Split that 50:50 and the landlord keeps all subsidy.

Its not a bad return for the couple of hours work a year that it actually takes to grow the stuff.

What value are u putting on the barley?

 

[jon115r]

Up in north of Scotland here there is boys paying from 125 to 203 for ground no sub either was ok I suppose when barley was 180 but on man I spoke to yesterday who pays 203 avraged 117 for his sb this year

 

[Frodo]

What value are u putting on the barley?

Think it was £110/t.

Most of the higher rents will be for longer rotations which allow potatoes. Average a £350/acre potato rent over 5 years adds £70, allowing an annual rent of £120/acre.

 

[Chae1]

Doing some fag packet calculations earlier in week. Rent @£75/acre selling 2.5t barley at £100/t straw at above prices. Losing £37/acre. I'll put up full breakdown of figures later.

 

[Chae1]

 

[HAM135]

Probably need to add the cost of drying ontop being up here

 

[capfits]

There is a few places round the Mearns for rent. The expected terms of one place are so unattractive as to unbelievable that they are being offered.
One place are renting the tattie ground seperatly (generally ware so late), fair enough,
They are also letting a pea acerage, fair enough
They are retaining BPS, their call
There is no storage, bit rubbish
And reportedly looking for an approx £100 rental/ acre for somebody to take on the balance, bonkers!

 

[jon115r]

Think it was £110/t.

Most of the higher rents will be for longer rotations which allow potatoes. Average a £350/acre potato rent over 5 years adds £70, allowing an annual rent of £120/acre.

The man that owns the ground is getting tattie rent !!

 

[Frodo]

Those figures aren't far off, might save £6 on seed and bit on fertiliser. Are many people combining for £30/acre? Should be able to do stubble to stubble for £100.

While the premium for malting might seem pitiful; it and the reduced drying costs are essential to returning a profit.

 

[Chae1]

Those figures aren't far off, might save £6 on seed and bit on fertiliser. Are many people combining for £30/acre? Should be able to do stubble to stubble for £100.

While the premium for malting might seem pitiful; it and the reduced drying costs are essential to returning a profit.

Yes your correct . Those are last year's fertiliser prices. Nitrogen this year £225 30n 17s and yara compound £294.

We do all of the work ourselves but those costings don't cover things like running around with seed and fert. Levelling ends, taking off stones, ripping up ends, Cambridge rolling.

It does show how little money there is in the job and that it's not worth planting barley for malting unless you have a contract.