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More likely to go bankrupt not growing than growingYou mean you're not going to bankrupt yourself "feeding the world"?
More likely to go bankrupt not growing than growingYou mean you're not going to bankrupt yourself "feeding the world"?
Quite agee, the reasons for not planting can be justified as a rational buisness decision, but the way it’s phrased would make shocking newspaper headlines.That will read well in the daily mirror
Too right.That will read well in the daily mirror
I've just signed up to a new environmental scheme but taken no money yet, have asked the question if I can, permanently, take the arable options out again and still waiting for the reply.I have 30ha of land waiting to be drilled with BB mix in the next week Am I going to bother contacting the powers that be to get a derogation for 12 months, and then try and source seed and fert and agrochems.....?
Nope, not a chance. After all, our wonderful Govt do not think that there is any problem, and who am I to doubt them....
Quite agee, the reasons for not planting can be justified as a rational buisness decision, but the way it’s phrased would make shocking newspaper headlines.
Well said boss man this is exactly what I'm thinking..................This is exactly why I am taking a fairly relaxed view on the LR, LNR and SFI that @Janet Hughes Defra is talking about. We have at last had confirmation that our CS MTS has been agreed. But with the rates Janet is talking about at the moment and by the time ELMs proper kicks in by 2024 (allegedly!), it won’t be worth the bother thanks to farm gate price inflation. I can well see us wanting to end or seriously amend out MTS in 2024.
Why stress ourselves with regards ELMs when by the time we get there it is unlikely to be in operation and highly irrelevant?
By the time we get there, there may well be a massive turn round by a Government desperately trying to get votes by trying to make food more affordable to the voters
I just hope the voters don’t forget the utterly ridiculous policy and direction we have and continue to be heading towards right now!
Basically, The Government has treated very badly and abused us.
It continues to do so.
I hope they don’t expect any favours in return.
Stockholm Syndrome. Imprisoned by government policy and money but too frightened to head into the free market.This coming year is a great opportunity to make some money for once, yet i cant believe some dont want to plant.
Not me. Lost my SFP in 2006. Which is why everything has to pay.Stockholm Syndrome. Imprisoned by government policy and money but too frightened to head into the free market.
No problem that’s how it should be.Not me. Lost my SFP in 2006. Which is why everything has to pay.
Exactly. 2022 nitrogen cost £237/t. I’m not paying £500/t, £700/t or £1,000/t for the normal amounts of nitrogen due to the risk factor. Remember the 2012 floods which hit yields and quality? Remember the droughts which hit yield and quality? I’m not funding food production with diversification income like some are going to do. The plan right now will be spring wheat and probably fallow and just spend the normal budget on fert. Apply it then walk away. From previous small on farm trials I know we can achieve 5t/ha with no nitrogen. We haven’t bought any bagged P & K for 15 years so that is of no concern.But as Dr Wazzock pointed out a few weeks ago, do we use our savings to fund production ?
Most bought fert at less than £500/ton this season, but next year ? And diesel rising rapidly again ?
Spring drought again now ? Which means a soggy harvest again ?
I feel under no obligation to do anything. This ain't 1970 with grants for lime, grants for ploughing,75% grants for sheds, free ADAS advice..............
weve took a lump out of production this year , with rising prices ive been wondering if we had done the right thing, then i remembered why we took it out!I've just signed up to a new environmental scheme but taken no money yet, have asked the question if I can, permanently, take the arable options out again and still waiting for the reply.
Be interesting to hear if and when they respond... and the outcome.I've just signed up to a new environmental scheme but taken no money yet, have asked the question if I can, permanently, take the arable options out again and still waiting for the reply.
Yes I'm not holding my breathBe interesting to hear if and when they respond... and the outcome.
Precisely.
I find it quite easy to take the opposite view. It's the high cost of inputs combined with the possibility of falling grain prices which makes me very wary about spending too much up front.This is exactly why I am taking a fairly relaxed view on the LR, LNR and SFI that @Janet Hughes Defra is talking about. We have at last had confirmation that our CS MTS has been agreed. But with the rates Janet is talking about at the moment and by the time ELMs proper kicks in by 2024 (allegedly!), it won’t be worth the bother thanks to farm gate price inflation. I can well see us wanting to end or seriously amend out MTS in 2024.
Why stress ourselves with regards ELMs when by the time we get there it is unlikely to be in operation and highly irrelevant?
By the time we get there, there may well be a massive turn round by a Government desperately trying to get votes by trying to make food more affordable to the voters
I just hope the voters don’t forget the utterly ridiculous policy and direction we have and continue to be heading towards right now!
Basically, The Government has treated very badly and abused us.
It continues to do so.
I hope they don’t expect any favours in return.
I don’t disagree with any of that.But as Dr Wazzock pointed out a few weeks ago, do we use our savings to fund production ?
Most bought fert at less than £500/ton this season, but next year ? And diesel rising rapidly again ?
Spring drought again now ? Which means a soggy harvest again ?
I feel under no obligation to do anything. This ain't 1970 with grants for lime, grants for ploughing,75% grants for sheds, free ADAS advice..............
If I see such stuff on Facebook I usually report it as false information or whatever options come up and seem appropriate.As an aside, I can't be the only one pished off with the daily social media feed of veganism, farmers harming wildlife, farmers destroying hedges, farmers poisoning the soil, farmers cruel to animals, farmers responsible for climate change, farmers clogging up the roads.........
It's society or civilisation not farmers that should be blamed for that. Farming practices are decided by society.As an aside, I can't be the only one pished off with the daily social media feed of veganism, farmers harming wildlife, farmers destroying hedges, farmers poisoning the soil, farmers cruel to animals, farmers responsible for climate change, farmers clogging up the roads.........