Lorry driver shortage

[JP1]

Well, you've obviously studied very hard to get as good at it as you are. Well done

Or a born natural

 

[glasshouse]

A few years back the HMRC decided to crack down on what constitutes self-employed for taxation purposes (different to the requirements for employment law purposes) & it was decided that an individual driving a clients' vehicle on a job set up by the client wasn't "self employed" - i.e. they are providing the same service as an employee would otherwise do & should be treated as such for taxation purposes & thus the pay attracts employers NI. HMRC decided that it would be down to the employer to make good on any unpaid tax & NI from incorrect self-employed status & so there was no benefit to the employer in trying that dodge.

The other dodge that was used (increasingly after the previous crack down) was for self employed drivers to set themselves up as a Ltd company with only themselves as shareholders, Driver Ltd company bills the client company and then pays the bulk of the money as dividends which doesn't attract NI & has a lower tax rate compared to PAYE. Again HMRC have decided that under IR35 this is tax avoidance as the sole purpose of the Driver Ltd business is to avoid tax. Tighter rules and greater enforcement has again made this very unattractive for businesses as they become liable for the tax that the driver should have paid. The clamp down on IR35 enforcement has again highlighted the role of "self-employed" status and abuses of the system, which has fed back into tighter rules on what can constitute self-employed to the extent that even being an "Owner-Driver" doesn't automatically confer self-employed status if that person only ever drives for one client.

No wonder drivers are short.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Well, you've obviously studied very hard to get as good at it as you are. Well done

Countless hours of practice

 

[Widgetone]

Countless hours of practice

Theres so many miserable threads around.
Always nice to hear of a happy ending, but tmi.

I'll get my coat

 

[Lincoln75]

Think you'll find Driver work through an Agency is usually self employed

Dont fall for that one , be an employee or walk or you will be worse off.

 

[Breakthru]

The secret now and has been guys is be employed and self employed. Set off the profit from employment against the losses of self employment. Bit more difficult in agric now as they changed the law to stop Dyson et al offsetting against farming losses. Without going into great detail the capital allowances of self employment cancel out the other profits. Working away from home, buy a motorhome to stay in. Set off the Vat and then capital depreciation against the employed profits. Myriad of other methods but you will need to pay me in beer.

 

[Ivorbiggun]

Another 18 hour day, no breaks 6 hrs off and another 18 hour tomorrow, what the hell are these lorry drivers moaning about.

 

[Blackleg]

They're not moaning, they're just choosing not to do 18 hour days with 6 hours off

Now there's not many left so everyone else is moaning

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Wow, will one of the moderator please give this guy a trophy

Another 18 hour day, no breaks 6 hrs off and another 18 hour tomorrow, what the hell are these lorry drivers moaning about.

 

[Kidds]

Wow, will one of the moderator please give this guy a trophy

You don't have to be a moderator, I have awarded one. Blackleg got one too by accident but it would be cruel to take it away again.

 

[Highland Mule]

The secret now and has been guys is be employed and self employed. Set off the profit from employment against the losses of self employment. Bit more difficult in agric now as they changed the law to stop Dyson et al offsetting against farming losses. Without going into great detail the capital allowances of self employment cancel out the other profits. Working away from home, buy a motorhome to stay in. Set off the Vat and then capital depreciation against the employed profits. Myriad of other methods but you will need to pay me in beer.

Aspects of what you are proposing do not pass the “wholly, exclusively and necessarily” test. I would not take your advice.

 

[Breakthru]

Aspects of what you are proposing do not pass the “wholly, exclusively and necessarily” test. I would not take your advice.

Accountant will never give advice now but you can run your ideas past him and see if he says yes or no. If your accountant has a clean record then there is unlikely to be a problem. Depends on your morals of course.

 

[Highland Mule]

Accountant will never give advice now but you can run your ideas past him and see if he says yes or no. If your accountant has a clean record then there is unlikely to be a problem. Depends on your morals of course.

Sounds like you’ve got a pretty poor accountant. Mine gives plenty of advice, keeps me on the right side of the law and makes sure my tax bills are as low as legally possible, plus helps with long term planning.

 

[Devil's advocate]

I remember being told, it's not the children who grow up on farms who have the accidents, it's the cousins who live in towns and visit for the hols

you were told wrong

 

[betweenthelines]

Another 18 hour day, no breaks 6 hrs off and another 18 hour tomorrow, what the hell are these lorry drivers moaning about.

That's your choice-no one's holding a gun to your head are they?

As one of my bosses used to say to "moaning" staff "There's the gate, no one dragged you through it"

 

[glasshouse]

That's your choice-no one's holding a gun to your head are they?

As one of my bosses used to say to "moaning" staff "There's the gate, no one dragged you through it"

Same as telling a farmer to go do something else
There is moaning, and there is justified moaning

 

[TheTallGuy]

That's your choice-no one's holding a gun to your head are they?

As one of my bosses used to say to "moaning" staff "There's the gate, no one dragged you through it"

A former boss used to say that all his employees were crap because if they were any good they wouldn't be working for him... then would get all narky if they did find the door! I took great delight in refusing to extend my notice period because the business couldn't easily replace me - shame he didn't think about that before & treat me right!

 

[Renaultman]

Another 18 hour day, no breaks 6 hrs off and another 18 hour tomorrow, what the hell are these lorry drivers moaning about.

18 hours in a tractor is about equivalent to about 8 in an artic, in my personal experience. I have done both.

 

[Daddy Pig]

18 hours in a tractor is about equivalent to about 8 in an artic, in my personal experience. I have done both.

I find it to be the other way round

 

[Renaultman]

I find it to be the other way round

Each to their own, but driving up and down a field is a damned sight easier than battling across the M62 and back every day which is what I'm comparing it to