Lorry weight tickets.

[Derky]

In the weights and measures act the equipment needs to be annually tested. Lorry scales are not. They are an aid to the driver not to overload. We can get them to differ on every load according to if the lorry is parked level, how high the body is lifted and how much product is placed at the front, rear and middle.

 

[ollie989898]

In the weights and measures act the equipment needs to be annually tested. Lorry scales are not. They are an aid to the driver not to overload. We can get them to differ on every load according to if the lorry is parked level, how high the body is lifted and how much product is placed at the front, rear and middle.

To say nothing of the lack of traceability or audit trail involved. All rather irregular in my view and not something I would expect a TASCC haulier to want anything to do with. Could be all entirely innocent, I accept that, but it isn't how I would want to operate nor is it how I would expect partner hauliers, suppliers or buyers to operate.

 

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[Woody j]

Just loaded 2 lorries going by weight on there scales and my weighbridge one was 340kg out and the other 120 kg

 

[Woody j]

Should have added not in my favour

 

[Brisel]

When I have sold grain to a merchant where the customer does not have a weigh bridge, I discussed it with the merchant and haulier, who sent the lorries to a local public weigh bridge.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Just loaded 2 lorries going by weight on there scales and my weighbridge one was 340kg out and the other 120 kg

The scales on the lorry are not a legally acceptable means of weighing a load. They are just there to help the haulier in two respects. One, that they are as close to max weight as possible to maximise their earnings and two, to ensure they are not illegally overweight.

So it is in the hauliers interests to have them calibrated reasonably well.

If it was me loading grain, I would pass my phone, ready to take a photo, to the driver and ask him to get a pic of the readout of his nett weight. That way you have some idea of what’s going out of your gate.

If it’s a few hundred kilos out it’s better than a tonne.

 

[yellow belly]

A good driver knows how accurate his weigher is as every load is weighed in and out at the destination
they will say how much it is out if you ask

Openfield a farmer Coop use and pay for own haulage or use their own fleet

if you are that worried then get a weigher on the bucket or deliver grain in trailers to the nearest intake

 

[VIP]

A good driver knows how accurate his weigher is as every load is weighed in and out at the destination
they will say how much it is out if you ask

Openfield a farmer Coop use and pay for own haulage or use their own fleet

if you are that worried then get a weigher on the bucket or deliver grain in trailers to the nearest intake

The only time I hear Openfield mentioned these days is in your posts….keep flying the flag

 

[quattro]

A good driver knows how accurate his weigher is as every load is weighed in and out at the destination
they will say how much it is out if you ask

Openfield a farmer Coop use and pay for own haulage or use their own fleet

if you are that worried then get a weigher on the bucket or deliver grain in trailers to the nearest intake

Weighers can often not show correct weight in body but the driver knows it’s weighing higher or lower than the display shows so knows where to load to

 

[ste]

Weighers can often not show correct weight in body but the driver knows it’s weighing higher or lower than the display shows so knows where to load to

This is the same for all weighers and weighbridges.

I can load waste from Derby, drive to Aylesbury (without topping up on anything) and the load weight on the 2 tickets is 300kgs out. Both weighbridges are calibrated, tested and certificated by trading standards. Its the same with loader weighers, at some places we can have a discrepance between what they say they have loaded, what my scales say and what their weighbridge says, and that is usually in the tons

I use the onboard volvo system that runs off the air suspension on the truck. I calibrated it in 18 months ago and am now usually at full weight when it shows 43.3t. Luckily we have regular loading points, all of which have weighbridges so I now have a list of what they say compared to my reading. Our boss has them fitted mostly to save us time going backwards and forwards getting the weight correct, and for the odd times that we load at places without weighbridges. As @Derky says there are many factors that throw them off, and ours are only really acurate of level concrete with a evenly loaded trailer

 

[Woldgrain Storage]

This whole thread gets stranger and stranger in my view.

Who has ever seen a weighbridge ticket without the haulier written on it?

Trading standards would definitely be interested if the haulier is routinely running overweight.

 

[yellow belly]

The only time I hear Openfield mentioned these days is in your posts….keep flying the flag

You should get out more

see their trucks most days

they trade a lot of member grain
export a lot of grain when we produce enough

 

[7610 super q]

Has the NFU sorted this out yet ?

 

[Dave645]

We must be lucky we always get the weight tickets from our merchant, I will say I got one where they took the tare before they left the yard and weighed when they got back, that didn’t make me happy when I lose the traveling fuel weight in wheat, but what can you do It was going into there shed? Thankfully not a massive distance as well maybe a 60 miles round trip.

to be honest the amount of wiggle room they get to cheat us is already massive I prefers same day loads going to a destination that day where the destination is weighing the load, but again that doesn’t remove all possibility of dodgy practices. We as usually work on trust, unless you haul your own in.
I actually prefer not to think about it, but we do get tickets at least. I can see why tele handlers that can weight as you load giving you an estimate at least of loaded weight seem like a bit of a safety net, get the weight added to the drivers ticket it adds a bit of doubling up to the drivers weight estimate most lorries can give now. So when you get the weight and payment you can see how it compared to your weight and the lorries and the weight they paid you on. Any discrepancy between you estimated weight and the actual should be similar for each load or within the tolerances the system on the loader estimates to. What to do if they don’t, well if you find it’s when you sell to one place only, and every time, it maybe worth telling them maybe they are due a weight bridge calibration, or not. . .

 

[. Q]

Well, it looks as if I have wasted my time.
2 good tickets, 2 handwritten tickets from lorries weighload and 3 tickets not seen.

NFU say put it on the Contract fairness hub, as a comment. Their legal aid will "help" by recommending a solicitor, who can write a letter for about £600 after nfu discount.
AIC and TASCC do not seem interested, so much for "AIC takes safety and integrity of the agri-supply chain very seriously"
Trading standards, now accessed through Citizens Advice, seem to have no time for it, but "made a note."
Robert Kerr, the man I had a contract with, will now not speak with me, but charged me for all 7 weighbridge tickets and I will never know if I was paid for the correct tonnes.

I will obviously not trade grain with Mr. Kerr again, and have learnt that nobody really wants to "police" the system.

 

[quattro]

Well, it looks as if I have wasted my time.
2 good tickets, 2 handwritten tickets from lorries weighload and 3 tickets not seen.

NFU say put it on the Contract fairness hub, as a comment. Their legal aid will "help" by recommending a solicitor, who can write a letter for about £600 after nfu discount.
AIC and TASCC do not seem interested, so much for "AIC takes safety and integrity of the agri-supply chain very seriously"
Trading standards, now accessed through Citizens Advice, seem to have no time for it, but "made a note."
Robert Kerr, the man I had a contract with, will now not speak with me, but charged me for all 7 weighbridge tickets and I will never know if I was paid for the correct tonnes.

I will obviously not trade grain with Mr. Kerr again, and have learnt that nobody really wants to "police" the system.

Do you know where he traded the grain to??

 

[Highland Mule]

If you’re a sole trader, why not take him to small claims court for the costs of the weigh tickets, maybe even for a nominal weight difference per load based on your estimates of how much you sent? Pretty certain you’d have a valid case for the tickets, perhaps less certain for the extras.

 

[Woody j]

Do you know where he traded the grain to??

That would be very interesting to find out and see what weight of grain they paid for. surely they would have a record of weights

 

[farmerfred86]

Due to a few niggles with a wheat sale contract, (late collection, late payment, 2 lorries more than contract arriving asking to pick up grain, late notification of claim (2 months) etc, I decided, for my first time ever, to ask to see the weight tickets. After 2 months and numerous requests, nothing is forthcoming. I thought I was entitled to see them?
Who should help me with this? AIC? TASCC? Red Tractor? NFU?

You've also paid a weigh bridge fee/levy!