Make me a proposal

[czechmate]

would this not be a nice start for a young farming type couple, you say a share farming type thing is possible, maybe let them have a little bit of land to go with the deal, they could do a little bit of work at home farm 1 day a week as well, with the extra buildings they could do some other things , contracting etc,
might be of interest to many on here given the chance

Thank you. I thought so.

 

[czechmate]

Wow. Sounds like a fantastic opportunity. Tragic that I have a 5 year old Son who doesn't live with me all the time or I'd be talking

Shame. Mind, trade wise limousines are kind of obligatory here

 

[caveman]

Oh right, something else to rely on my wife to translate for me

Ha
If I were thirty years younger I would of been on your doorstep this morning

 

[le bon paysan]

We find ourselves in the position of having a spare farm. It is 120 ha, complete with a nice family house, far more buildings than is normal for the farm size (they used to contract fatten), 4 miles from our home farm.
Myself and wife have tried doing the both but it's not practical in the long term. Both farms need small amounts of normal buildings repairs, there is always machinery repairs, tbh looking after the cows isn't a problem for the two of us but fattening all the bulls is a lot of extra work.
In this area, there are a lot of retired folk and anyone who is fit and half useful could fill their days ten times over.
I am open to any ideas. To start the ball rolling, a favourite of mine would be a family live in the house and work for (for example 2 days per week) rent for the house and if required some buildings for their own enterprise.
I would consider an employee. Or farm share. Very unlikely I would just let it out though.

Oh, in case you missed it this farm is in the Limousin region in France

@llamedos is this the correct board ?

You wrote in Farming reality check some time back, the following;

We finish all our Bulls, finish half the heifers, the others for replacement s, finish the old cows.
I spend 90% of my time growing cereal , harvesting cereal, milling cereal, feeding cereal and general fattening work, so do think that those that just have the cows and sell the wearers must have a part time job.

So as reality has started to bite you could get a Stagiere from 1 of the 2 Ag colleges close to you. This can be arranged through the Chambre.Or you can approach the college direct. He will be fully insured with the MSA and of a competent standard. He can live in the house as part of his package and you are not forming a tenancy.
You get free French lessons to boot

What you are proposing above is not legal in France. Anyone working, even part time, on a farm must have MSA cover. It's all right to wing it but they will throw the book at you if you are caught, and yes I know lots of Brits do it, it's ok till a cow hammers them or they crash the tractor.

 

[czechmate]

You wrote in Farming reality check some time back, the following;

We finish all our Bulls, finish half the heifers, the others for replacement s, finish the old cows.
I spend 90% of my time growing cereal , harvesting cereal, milling cereal, feeding cereal and general fattening work, so do think that those that just have the cows and sell the wearers must have a part time job.

So as reality has started to bite you could get a Stagiere from 1 of the 2 Ag colleges close to you. This can be arranged through the Chambre.Or you can approach the college direct. He will be fully insured with the MSA and of a competent standard. He can live in the house as part of his package and you are not forming a tenancy.
You get free French lessons to boot

What you are proposing above is not legal in France. Anyone working, even part time, on a farm must have MSA cover. It's all right to wing it but they will throw the book at you if you are caught, and yes I know lots of Brits do it, it's ok till a cow hammers them or they crash the tractor.

I don't get your point rog.
I am not actually proposing anything, hence the title but as I understand it, it is not illegal to employ someone, even in France?
Oh, it must be wonderful never to make a misjudgement. Throughout this, my biggest mistake was to buy all his bulls, heifers and a good number of in calf heifers and cows. Mainly the bulls though, which added to our own has frankly overwhelmed us and killed any appertit to continue with such a work load. My solution going forward is to just quit finishing bulls, as you know, like over 80% of breeders around here. To me, that would seem such a shame and waste to have not only a empty and unused house but cattle sheds for almost 200 animals. Hence my wondering if anyone would like an opportunity,

 

[will l]

I don't get your point rog.
I am not actually proposing anything, hence the title but as I understand it, it is not illegal to employ someone, even in France?
Oh, it must be wonderful never to make a misjudgement. Throughout this, my biggest mistake was to buy all his bulls, heifers and a good number of in calf heifers and cows. Mainly the bulls though, which added to our own has frankly overwhelmed us and killed any appertit to continue with such a work load. My solution going forward is to just quit finishing bulls, as you know, like over 80% of breeders around here. To me, that would seem such a shame and waste to have not only a empty and unused house but cattle sheds for almost 200 animals. Hence my wondering if anyone would like an opportunity,

Your best bet would be to sell the house and buildings before they fall derelict, letting house out could be a possibility but be sure you understand that anyone other than a legal employee living in your property automatically has a tenancy even if they dont pay,

 

[le bon paysan]

I don't get your point rog.
I am not actually proposing anything, hence the title but as I understand it, it is not illegal to employ someone, even in France?
,

You wrote this

I am open to any ideas. To start the ball rolling, a favourite of mine would be a family live in the house and work for (for example 2 days per week) rent for the house and if required some buildings for their own enterprise.
@llamedos is this the correct board ?

Sounds like a proposal to me.
This is not employing someone and this without an employment contract is not allowed. They are not insured.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Only snag i can see is the foreign country

But the UK is a foreign country too and people still want to immigrate there too!

 

[czechmate]

Your best bet would be to sell the house and buildings before they fall derelict, letting house out could be a possibility but be sure you understand that anyone other than a legal employee living in your property automatically has a tenancy even if they dont pay,

Watching what is happening next door only fills me with dread as far as letting it is concerned. The fact they are moving in March makes us wonder if they paid any rent? Maybe linked to her being pregnant with their eighth? But if the house is anything like as bad inside as it is out...

Falling derelict, being left empty is a big concern.

Selling any part of it so quick is not going to sit well with the safer


The guy who sold it is still around, he kept some of the buildings. He can see we are struggling and knows it well having done it himself for over 40 years. His suggestion was to sell all the animals and just buy heifers to fatten. I can see some logic but just working with limmi heifers?

@le bon paysan - ha, had GS call around looking for finished bulls (we had some thank goodness) at a quite bad moment. So I say to him "can you just take all the smaller ones too?"
Answers he "are they vaccinated?"

 

[multi power]

But the UK is a foreign country too and people still want to immigrate there too!

But we don't speak a foreign language

 

[bobk]

Watching what is happening next door only fills me with dread as far as letting it is concerned. The fact they are moving in March makes us wonder if they paid any rent? Maybe linked to her being pregnant with their eighth? But if the house is anything like as bad inside as it is out...

Falling derelict, being left empty is a big concern.

Selling any part of it so quick is not going to sit well with the safer


The guy who sold it is still around, he kept some of the buildings. He can see we are struggling and knows it well having done it himself for over 40 years. His suggestion was to sell all the animals and just buy heifers to fatten. I can see some logic but just working with limmi heifers?

@le bon paysan - ha, had GS call around looking for finished bulls (we had some thank goodness) at a quite bad moment. So I say to him "can you just take all the smaller ones too?"
Answers he "are they vaccinated?"

He's right , you need to step back and re assess .

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

But we don't speak a foreign language

neither does most that come here, but it dont stop them, this might be the break your looking for @multi power

edit, did @multi power come over from N Ireland to live in Wales, if so do you speak Welsh

 

[will l]

You wrote this




Sounds like a proposal to me.
This is not employing someone and this without an employment contract is not allowed. They are not insured.

Could he not form a GAEC with a non equity partner?

 

[czechmate]

neither does most that come here, but it dont stop them, this might be the break your looking for @multi power

And black and white cows next door

 

[Post Driver]

Much call for a fencing contractor? Or do they staple it to the trees like I found in Normandy

 

[czechmate]

Could he not form a GAEC with a non equity partner?

A new gaec sheep enterprise would get the extra new flock headage payment and always have clean grass following cows and I don't see why it couldn't be done legally

 

[czechmate]

Much call for a fencing contractor? Or do they staple it to the trees like I found in Normandy

I can't answer that

 

[le bon paysan]

Could he not form a GAEC with a non equity partner?

He could, but why?
FFS, Outstanding cattle buildings need cattle . Put an employee in the house as part of the package and do fat bulls on bed and breakfast or contract.
Some fore thought BEFORE buying it would have helped.

 

[czechmate]

He could, but why?
FFS, Outstanding cattle buildings need cattle . Put an employee in the house as part of the package and do fat bulls on bed and breakfast or contract.
Some fore thought BEFORE buying it would have helped.

I am not getting the constant criticism rog?
Here I am, admitting I f**ked up but saying it leaves an opportunity for someone and you just keep jabbing a knife! Pourquoi?

Just to add to you, I bought it with a specific job in mind, as you well know (the details I certainly won't discuss on a public forum), that didn't work out. So I try and move on. No big deal, life goes on

 

[Post Driver]

I was thinking out loud, playing with the idea of working on the farm for you part time and running a fencing business on the side. There must be demand for plenty of fencing to keep those Limousin cattle in? Much equestrian around there?

I started to give it serious consideration having worked in Normandy for 6 weeks, as there was an opening for quality fencing to the equestrian market in Normandy (around Deuville). Most of the farmers stapled the wire to trees from what I could see.