Manufacturers & dealers have messed it up

[ppottersfarm]

Anybody else becoming increasingly annoyed with the trade across the board?
The manufacturers have hiked new prices to unprecedented levels out of reach to majority of farmers. £250,000 for 250hp tractor is unaffordable.
At the same time they are offering 50% less than market value for trade in’s.
An example I have a 4 yr old cultivator I want to move on. Its immaculate. They offer £9,000 but are selling them at £18,000-£20,000 at 4 years old. They want £40,000 for a brand new one.
I am just getting fed up with them and the salespeople’s hands are tied but generally saying they arent selling much but the bosses dont seem bothered.
What has happened to this industry is poor. We’ve been r*p*d by them but they dont seem to realise without us they dont exist.

 

[grainboy]

Sell it private, you may be surprised both ways,
Dealers advertise price is that only, not its value,

 

[BrianV]

Anybody else becoming increasingly annoyed with the trade across the board?
The manufacturers have hiked new prices to unprecedented levels out of reach to majority of farmers. £250,000 for 250hp tractor is unaffordable.
At the same time they are offering 50% less than market value for trade in’s.
An example I have a 4 yr old cultivator I want to move on. Its immaculate. They offer £9,000 but are selling them at £18,000-£20,000 at 4 years old. They want £40,000 for a brand new one.
I am just getting fed up with them and the salespeople’s hands are tied but generally saying they arent selling much but the bosses dont seem bothered.
What has happened to this industry is poor. We’ve been r*p*d by them but they dont seem to realise without us they dont exist.

And before long many of them will not exist.

 

[ppottersfarm]

Sell it private, you may be surprised both ways,
Dealers advertise price is that only, not its value,

About done a deal fingers crossed at £17,000 which is £8,000 more than what the dealer offered me. That is just daylight robbery.

 

[ppottersfarm]

And before long many of them will not exist.

I know for an absolute fact that our local JD and Case dealers are shifting nothing because I have friends in the service dept. Even the servicing has slowed down due to the £150/hr labour charges. Local smaller independent guys are more than half the price but still have the same diagnostic equipment so theres no incentive to use a main dealer outside of warranty if you can afford a new piece of equipment.

 

[balerman]

Anybody else becoming increasingly annoyed with the trade across the board?
The manufacturers have hiked new prices to unprecedented levels out of reach to majority of farmers. £250,000 for 250hp tractor is unaffordable.
At the same time they are offering 50% less than market value for trade in’s.
An example I have a 4 yr old cultivator I want to move on. Its immaculate. They offer £9,000 but are selling them at £18,000-£20,000 at 4 years old. They want £40,000 for a brand new one.
I am just getting fed up with them and the salespeople’s hands are tied but generally saying they arent selling much but the bosses dont seem bothered.
What has happened to this industry is poor. We’ve been r*p*d by them but they dont seem to realise without us they dont exist.

I agree it is a complete mess,but to be fair their costs will have gone up massively like ours.Many more of them will go out of business tho,and there has to be a re-alignment of kit prices downwards.Find out the true value of your cultivator by advertising privately.Should sell easily if you price a couple k less than a dealer would.

 

[sheep boy 3000]

The dealerships may suffer less sales but the manufacturer ultimately wont.
Food is still needed and whichever country grows it will be where the equipment will sell.
Vaccines for livestock have gone up a lot yet the research and development was done many years ago. Quad bikes have tripled in price since our first one.
Ultimately what are you going to do about it apart from bend over and take it. Machinery does wear out.

If I go to lidl or any supermarket it is always over £40, one day it was £40.01 just to be aquard. I mentioned this to the cashier who said the staff were taken aback a few days earlier when someone's bill was just over £20. (Morrisons is actually not any deerer).
Things will without a doubt get a hell of a lot worse after October. Dont be surprised if we all get a framed picture of Mr Personality that must be kept polished, sing happy birthday to it and save it before before the children if the house catches fire.

 

[grainboy]

Dealers would not want a second hand machine, when they are trying to sell new,

 

[spin cycle]

they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't necessary.....I reckon they're 'on the brink'

 

[Dave W]

Granted I’m on the other side of the fence and in not at all familiar with the workings of big dealerships but threads like this baffle me over and over again.

Land is too dear. Tractors are too dear etc etc.
But when land comes up for grabs there’s a fight over it.
Or a new tractor comes out and everyone has to buy it.

If everyone stopped buying new kit guess what! The prices would come down.

Supply and demand makes the world go round.
While ever there is demand from farmers the manufacturers will happily supply and name their price.

 

[sheep boy 3000]

Back to my comment on the price of shopping.
We all need to eat, does that justify a massive rise in food prices, we don't get paid any more for what we produce.
An Ifor Williams dealer that will go un named always finds a way so the bill is over £1000. The parts when I bought them for another trailer were a couple of hundred and took a lot less time to fit than the 6hrs they claimed.
You must admit somewhere in there they are taking the p!$$.
Its a dog eat dog world but dont eat the customer

 

[colhonk]

Buy Tesco shares, their profits are obscene, must be a good shareholder divi each year.

 

[Hilly]

Anybody else becoming increasingly annoyed with the trade across the board?
The manufacturers have hiked new prices to unprecedented levels out of reach to majority of farmers. £250,000 for 250hp tractor is unaffordable.
At the same time they are offering 50% less than market value for trade in’s.
An example I have a 4 yr old cultivator I want to move on. Its immaculate. They offer £9,000 but are selling them at £18,000-£20,000 at 4 years old. They want £40,000 for a brand new one.
I am just getting fed up with them and the salespeople’s hands are tied but generally saying they arent selling much but the bosses dont seem bothered.
What has happened to this industry is poor. We’ve been r*p*d by them but they dont seem to realise without us they dont exist.

Always been the same. .

 

[mixedfmr]

Granted I’m on the other side of the fence and in not at all familiar with the workings of big dealerships but threads like this baffle me over and over again.

Land is too dear. Tractors are too dear etc etc.
But when land comes up for grabs there’s a fight over it.
Or a new tractor comes out and everyone has to buy it.

Of everyone stopped buying new kit guess what! The prices would come down.

Supply and demand makes the world go round.
While ever there is demand from farmers the manufacturers will happily supply and name their price.

But things are a changing
Grandfathers day,,,,,,,,,, pay on the nail
Fathers day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, HP a couple of years
My day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Lease/ Rental/ 5years rolling/ Bounceback
We ve stretched as far as it goes now, thats why your hearing the pain

Wait till we re like the USA who keep their machinery longer than we do, We ll only need 1/2 the dealers of now, and less tractors new

 

[bravheart]

Buy Tesco shares, their profits are obscene, must be a good shareholder divi each year.

If you can't beat them join them.

 

[bravheart]

Dealers would not want a second hand machine, when they are trying to sell new,

Totally different market but I know someone who would take your trade in when you bought new and cut it up for scrap. Meant there was never much of a second hand market which kept the rarity value and prices up for new

 

[bravheart]

And before long many of them will not exist.

Bound to be a large number of main dealers out there that should probably cut their losses and run before it's too late. They would be better off dropping the manufacturers now and provide a service for the second hand or out of warranty market.

 

[Fish]

About done a deal fingers crossed at £17,000 which is £8,000 more than what the dealer offered me. That is just daylight robbery.

I guess the dealer didn’t want your bit of kit, hence the low price.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

But things are a changing
Grandfathers day,,,,,,,,,, pay on the nail
Fathers day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, HP a couple of years
My day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Lease/ Rental/ 5years rolling/ Bounceback
We ve stretched as far as it goes now, thats why your hearing the pain

Wait till we re like the USA who keep their machinery longer than we do, We ll only need 1/2 the dealers of now, and less tractors new

Fathers day ......father often told the story about buying his first baler in the late 50's , he spotted one in Hfd market and fancied it complete with 'on board engine' .
While looking at it the merchant owner said do you want it and dads words were " I would love it but can't afford it atm "
Don't worry they said pay when you can and anyway we haven't billed you yet , all we ask when we do bill you is that you will pay it within 6 mths , that was in the June and it was Dec before bill arrived.....he paid the same day !

 

[Lowland1]

Granted I’m on the other side of the fence and in not at all familiar with the workings of big dealerships but threads like this baffle me over and over again.

Land is too dear. Tractors are too dear etc etc.
But when land comes up for grabs there’s a fight over it.
Or a new tractor comes out and everyone has to buy it.

Of everyone stopped buying new kit guess what! The prices would come down.

Supply and demand makes the world go round.
While ever there is demand from farmers the manufacturers will happily supply and name their price.

You really need to stop being so sensible.