Meadow Brome Chemical Control

[Salopian_Will]

Does anything kill it? NIAB stand at Groundeswell (2023) advocated February application of Broadway Star to control it - tried that this year during a warm spell and its made no difference. Pacifica Plus and Proverb haven't touched it either this year, albeit we weren't able to get on particularly early.

 

[Woody j]

Broadway star end of march worked for me , February might be a bit early

 

[Salopian_Will]

Broadway star end of march worked for me , February might be a bit early

Interesting - we've had little success at that time of year either. What water rates are you going at - the only ting I am wondering if I'm being too mean on water @ 120-130l/ha.

 

[Old apprentice]

Maybe a bit North of some but about 7 April here one particular bad field it has done quite a good job. 200 litres at 8 k with flat fan 03.
I do quite a lot of rouging as well there is always those bits that get missed even if following tramlines the bit in the middle as you go over undulating ground in the feild

 

[Brisel]

Broadway/Palio needs warm soil to work. 2 degrees more than Hatra/Atlantis. Not easy to be patient when watching it gain even more tillers!

The NIAB trial needs qualifying as incomplete information can lead to bad advice elsewhere. That must have been a mild February.

You need high water rates and a good wetter. Water conditioning too if you have high pH and/or hard water. Best applied as a separate dose from fungicides, pgrs etc.

 

[Siveke]

Collect some of the surviving seed and send off for a resistance test. Then you will know if you are wasting your time with ALS chemistry or not.

 

[Old apprentice]

With growing continuous wheat if does not help in brome control. Last year I went to an ahdb, monitor farm walk they did good rotations and were controlling brome in crops but to my dismay with fields looking clean the hedge rows had good infestations of brome a bit of roging would clear the problem even if they only move round the farm area by area not trying to clean it all at once.

 

[The Dalai Farmer]

Have you tried Monitor, as in sulphosulfuron, works well on all the bromes. We had a problem with meadow brome aswell and it sorted that out.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Have you tried Monitor, as in sulphosulfuron, works well on all the bromes. We had a problem with meadow brome aswell and it sorted that out.

Never heard of that one

 

[The Dalai Farmer]

It's properly old chemistry, think it's been around since the 70's or 80's. It would be a brilliant product if it worked on wild oats aswell. I am surprised more people don't use it with the growing problem of bromes.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Does anything kill it? NIAB stand at Groundeswell (2023) advocated February application of Broadway Star to control it - tried that this year during a warm spell and its made no difference. Pacifica Plus and Proverb haven't touched it either this year, albeit we weren't able to get on particularly early.

Please be aware that Meadow Brome seeds need to be left on the surface for a month after harvest before any cultivations. This allows the seeds to become viable and mean that stale seedbeds are more effective.

 

[Old apprentice]

Have you tried Monitor, as in sulphosulfuron, works well on all the bromes. We had a problem with meadow brome aswell and it sorted that out.

It has been discontinued failed it so called test or what ever.

 

[Salopian_Will]

Have you tried Monitor, as in sulphosulfuron, works well on all the bromes. We had a problem with meadow brome aswell and it sorted that out.

We have actually but in less than ideal circumstances (too late) and it did nothing. Will give it another go, no doubt.

Please be aware that Meadow Brome seeds need to be left on the surface for a month after harvest before any cultivations. This allows the seeds to become viable and mean that stale seedbeds are more effective.

Yes very aware. However waiting a month till getting a stale seed bed and letting it green up can put you into mid October at best, which is too late for us in many years particularly as we are often apply manures which 1) need to incorporated and 2) the new rules mean they need to spread by the end of September. Where we have managed to do it has not been overly effective though.

 

[Salopian_Will]

It has been discontinued failed it so called test or what ever.

Well that’s irritating.

Best bet is to get better at ploughing I think.

 

[Old apprentice]

Cultivate after harvest those brome that germinate then are the hardest to kill the others are easier to deal with later . That is my take on it.

 

[farmer_martin]

Same problem here in 1 field, so had ours tested last summer and its RRR 99% to SU herbicides (Pacifica & Broadway Star). Tring spring barley, followed by enhanced overwinter stubbles followed by ploughing, shall only know if it has worked in 18 months time.

 

[Brisel]

Rotational ploughing is good, but it needs to be 10+" and properly buried for a few years.

 

[Hampton]

Never heard of that one

It’s been about for approx 25 years however think it’s revoked. Same with Attribut

 

[B'o'B]

It’s been about for approx 25 years however think it’s revoked. Same with Attribut

Monitor (MAPP 17695 & 18887) and Attribut (MAPP 18894 & 20724) are both still currently on the pesticide register, I don’t know why nobody sells them anymore, but it appears to be a distribution issue, not a regulatory issue.

 

[The Dalai Farmer]

That did make me wonder, when people said it had lost it's registration, because I was using some this spring.