Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
Humic acid is the answer when foliar feeding imo. Agree re modern grasses being n hungry. Maize and fodder beet I hope is our solution
Milk price - for budgeting
- Thread starter Bramble
- Start date
Good job protein is cheap
- Location
- Cheltenham
I’d say you are right. Budget with a slightly lower price and see how the figures stack up first.
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
42p standard litre average
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
Foliar feed is all well and good on grass but you nearly need 2-3 weeks growth to create the foliage to catch the feed before you apply ?
Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
Red clover silage
Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
10-14 days should be fine. We’ve seen big jumps in growth by using liquid n over prills
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
I've been impressed this year on our maize,,will try some grass after 1st cut
Correct. Needs good sheath so at least 14 days post cutting but in tandem with a slurry on immediately post cut and with the trace elements, seems to work well at a cost equivalent of £400/tonne of AN 34.5%
Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
We’ll use seaweed products so yes by default
- Location
- cornwall
What are you doing the foliar feeding with?
- Location
- cornwall
How do create the foliar feed?
I’ve got some old 1500 litre bulk tanks with stirrers and on stilts. Could I just fill them with water and drop a bag of urea in with the stirrer running?
- Location
- God's side of the border.
Think so but would love to hear from the experts.
Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
pretty much that. I’ve only dabbled with melting a few bags this year as we’re running liquid we’ve been trialing options and the simplest is super low rate liquid n.
A water pump to create a suspension would help break it down quicker.
Adding humic acid seems to be the game changer.
- Location
- somerset
at what price do you think farmers will hit the brakes hard.
It's not quite so simple, modern plants need a certain volume of milk, to cover overheads, so that will factor in, our processor is looking for more milk,
If milk crashes to 30's, l think there will be a lot going out, we will.
There's a lot of potential costs/problems looking ahead, slurry storage, old buildings that need updating, labour, succession.
And of course, RT with ever increasing standards, ever more guv restrictions, fert costs.
Confidence is low.
And milk price is at an all time high, the lowest l have had was 14ppl, back in 1999, the highest was oct 54.45ppl.
There will be a reduction, spring seasonality will take price lower, it is next autumn that will be crunch time. A case of input costs v milk price, unless input costs come down, to reflect the lower milk price, and pigs might fly.
It's not quite so simple, modern plants need a certain volume of milk, to cover overheads, so that will factor in, our processor is looking for more milk,
If milk crashes to 30's, l think there will be a lot going out, we will.
There's a lot of potential costs/problems looking ahead, slurry storage, old buildings that need updating, labour, succession.
And of course, RT with ever increasing standards, ever more guv restrictions, fert costs.
Confidence is low.
And milk price is at an all time high, the lowest l have had was 14ppl, back in 1999, the highest was oct 54.45ppl.
There will be a reduction, spring seasonality will take price lower, it is next autumn that will be crunch time. A case of input costs v milk price, unless input costs come down, to reflect the lower milk price, and pigs might fly.
Jdunn55
Member
- Location
- Helston, cornwall
Currently on 48-49ppl for standard litre I think
Going with 45ppl for january-march
42ppl for april-june
42ppl again for july-september
And 45ppl for October-December
How does that sound?
My opinion is that with a price drop in the new year you will see farmers leaving but that's going to take about 6 months to come through so won't see milk price rises until later in the year?
Going with 45ppl for january-march
42ppl for april-june
42ppl again for july-september
And 45ppl for October-December
How does that sound?
My opinion is that with a price drop in the new year you will see farmers leaving but that's going to take about 6 months to come through so won't see milk price rises until later in the year?
lazy farmer
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- Location
- som/dor border
Personally on a solids style contract I think we could easily see 40p by may/June before seasonality. It will partially depend on processors contracts and market sentiment how low individual contracts go .
as for after that it will depends on how fast the surplus supply disappears.
Working on the basis of milk price coming back in Jan/Feb by nearly 2ppl. Last years costings (extrapolated forward to Dec 31st) showed a reasonably low feed cost across the last quarter but was lucky to have plenty in store and bought forward. Energy costs haven't fully kicked in and will feel the full brunt of feed and fert Feb onwards. It is a matter of phoning round at the mo to get folks to stick to prices. Praying for an early Spring.
ollie989898
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WIth folk cutting right back on nitrogen purchases and not using as much N in general I believe it can't be long before livestock ground starts to show a gradual reduction in total fresh yields of forage across the country in general.