Milliband Net Zero by 2030 - yeah right - National Grid

DaveGrohl

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National Grid: Britain will remain dependent on gas for years​

Forecasts predict higher than expected demand, in blow to net zero ambitions​

Matt Oliver, Industry Editor15 July 2024 • 7:21pm
Britain will be forced to rely on natural gas for years to come, National Grid has said, in a blow to Sir Keir Starmer’s green energy ambitions.
Demand for gas is now expected to be at least a fifth higher than previously expected in 2030, according to the National Grid Electricity System Operator (ESO).
Under three potential “pathways” to net zero by 2050, the ESO also predicted Britain will keep burning “unabated” gas for power – that is, without any form of mitigation such as carbon capture – until at least 2036.
It underlines the scale of the challenge facing Sir Keir and Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, as they attempt to rewire Britain’s energy system at a faster pace than envisioned by the Conservatives.
Miliband has made net zero targets his top priority since taking office just over a week ago. Since coming to power on July 5, the Labour government has revoked a de facto ban on onshore wind farms, waved through a string of massive solar farms in the planning system and set up a “mission control” to coordinate the push towards a net zero power grid by 2030.
At the same time, ministers have vowed to pump billions of pounds into green technologies such as carbon capture and green hydrogen production via the new state body GB Energy and a National Wealth Fund.
The ESO said it expected gas demand to be between 642 and 724 terawatt hours in 2030, at least a fifth higher than the previous minimum and at the top end of what was predicted just a year ago.
The minimum predicted demand for gas in 2035 has also shifted upwards, from 331 terawatt hours to at least 433 terawatt hours.
Today, the country consumes the annual equivalent of 872 terawatt hours in natural gas.
Even after power sources such as wind and solar are generating the lion’s share of electricity, it will still be necessary to keep some gas-fired capacity in reserve to ensure the lights stay on, the ESO added.
Joshua Buckland, a partner at Flint Global who was previously a civil servant in the Treasury and the energy department, warned that meeting the UK’s net zero targets would require “rethinking planning, how we do regulation, environmental approvals, as well as how we plan the energy system”.
He added: “I think that’s the question I’m maybe a little more concerned [about]: whether we are willing to carry through the bold, radical policy and political decisions that are going to be needed to deliver.
“Are we serious about getting infrastructure built in this country over the timeframe that is required?”
The ESO’s report did not give reasons for the higher expected gas demand.
But Kathryn Porter, an independent energy analyst, said two likely reasons were regulator Ofgem’s decision to block a series of new electricity interconnectors with Europe, which were previously part of the ESO’s calculations, as well as the expected closure of various nuclear power plants this decade.
Ms Porter added: “It means you will just not be able to meet demand by the end of this decade without more gas.”
The ESO’s latest predictions, made before the general election, do not take into account policies that Labour has pledged to enact in government, such as accelerating investment in green technologies and making the power grid net zero by 2030.
In the same report, published on Monday, the ESO says important decisions must be taken urgently to keep the UK on a viable path to net zero carbon emissions by 2050.
For example, it warns that between three to 18 terawatt hours of hydrogen storage is needed by 2035 – partly to burn when output from renewables is low. For 2050, the figure rises to between 19 and 49 terawatt hours.
This would likely be achieved by hollowing out natural salt deposits underneath areas such as East Yorkshire, Cheshire and Wessex and turning them into hydrogen storage facilities, as proposed by a Royal Society study last year.
But the ESO report warns that such facilities typically take 10 to 12 years to develop, suggesting the work “needs to begin immediately” for them to be ready in time.
Relatively few hydrogen storage projects have been proposed so far, although The Telegraph recently revealed one that would go below a former naval base in Portland Harbour, Dorset.
The report played down the role of hydrogen in home heating in two of three net zero scenarios, while also noting that blending hydrogen into household gas supplies would help stimulate demand for the gas but would not yield big emission reductions.
Meanwhile, the ESO said the total amount of available wind and solar power capacity needs to rise from 44 gigawatts today to between 141 and 189 gigawatts by 2035, rising to between 197 and 249 gigawatts in 2050.
Overall storage capacity, including electric batteries, would also need to rise from seven gigawatts today to 30 to 48 gigawatts by 2035 and 50 to 83 gigawatts by 2050.
Claire Dykta, director of strategy and policy at the ESO, said “decisive action within the next two years” was needed to ensure Britain reaches its climate goals.
The ESO is due to be formally split off from National Grid later this year to become the government-owned National Electricity System Operator (NESO), a role that will see it take responsibility for planning the country’s energy system.
 

Swarfmonkey

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Milliband was a pillock when he was SoS for Energy and Climate Change. He's still a pillock as SoS for Energy Security and Net Zero.

What the ESO are suggesting is so eye wateringly expensive it'll make all the money pished away on renewables at taxpayers and billpayers expense to date look like pocket change and it'll all go pear shaped when you have a week or two of dunkelflaute conditions, even with the storage they want.

Oh yeah, and that much vaunted 44GW of PV and wind? Producing just 1.7GW as I type this, barely 8% of demand.
 
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toquark

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As one Labour grandee recently commented, if you can rely on anyone it cock something up, it’s Ed Miliband.

Net zero is complete fantasy, which will likely never be achieved. We can only hope they don’t bankrupt us all in the process of trying before they admit it and give up.
 

Daddy Pig

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The new proposed coal mine is apparently going to tell everyone how it will be carbon neutral today after a recent court decision that makes it responsible for all the carbon emissions from burning said coal. Something to do with using the coal to make steel that then gets used to make wind turbines.
 

Ffermer Bach

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I just read on facebook that a wind farm in Powys was finally going to start working about 6 years after is was built, because of lack of transformer (planning permission). The elephant in the room for wind power is the lack of capacity in our national grid. Wind turbines been off here for over a week, due to western power essential maintenance in their grid (this usually happens for 6 weeks every year). There was talk they were going to be shut down for 6 months because western power wanted to do work on the line. All politicians shout about wind power, where as actually we need an upgraded grid connection, but that's not sexy to say "I plan to upgrade the National Grid", sounds far better to say "I am going to build lots of wind farms", but without the grid upgrade no point building the windfarms. Our politicians are either thick as mince or only concerned with getting likes on insta.
 
I just read on facebook that a wind farm in Powys was finally going to start working about 6 years after is was built, because of lack of transformer (planning permission). The elephant in the room for wind power is the lack of capacity in our national grid. Wind turbines been off here for over a week, due to western power essential maintenance in their grid (this usually happens for 6 weeks every year). There was talk they were going to be shut down for 6 months because western power wanted to do work on the line. All politicians shout about wind power, where as actually we need an upgraded grid connection, but that's not sexy to say "I plan to upgrade the National Grid", sounds far better to say "I am going to build lots of wind farms", but without the grid upgrade no point building the windfarms. Our politicians are either thick as mince or only concerned with getting likes on insta.

People don't want the massive pylons going through their nice areas
 

texelburger

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Didn't someone at the NFU declare net zero ag by 2030?
She certainly did without telling her fellow members beforehand iirc.I think she was ignorant to the requirements and costs to her industry but it was very much the headline,attention grabbing buzz words at that time.
A lot of what Sir Kier promised in his manifesto is very definitely unachievable but the Country was,quite rightly, ready for change so policies weren't scrutinised too much.
 

redsloe

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Net Zero represents a boost for every business posting on here. How entirely typical of farmers to take the p!ss out of stuff that is in their interest.
You will have to explain that to a simple beef farmer that uses little power.

It's now generally accepted that Pv installations are only of benefit to higher users of electric since the FiT has shrunk to nowt.
 

delilah

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You will have to explain that to a simple beef farmer that uses little power.

It's now generally accepted that Pv installations are only of benefit to higher users of electric since the FiT has shrunk to nowt.

Anyone who thinks that it's bollox, needs to turn down any offers they get to generate power on their land.

Anyone who thinks it's bollox, needs to turn down any ELMS standard that is based on environmental protection, or any grant scheme based on the same, or any approach by a developer waving BNG money in the air.

Anyone who thinks it's bollox, needs to write to the BBC and complain whenever someone appears in the media saying that the public should Buy British to reduce food miles.
 

upnortheast

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I agree, but these are the conversations that we must have if we are going to go down the net zero route. I think the cables need to be buried.
I'm told that underground high voltage cables are much more expensive to install than hanging them for a pylon. Also take up more land as cables need significant separation distances from each other.
 

Y Fan Wen

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'Kathryn Porter, an independent energy analyst, said two likely reasons were regulator Ofgem’s decision to block a series of new electricity interconnectors with Europe, which were previously part of the ESO’s calculations.'

Anyone know the reason they made that decision?
 

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