Min till/ non inversion wheat

[DieselRob]

For the first time this year I am wanting to try some "min till" wheat after osr/beans and some 2nd wheats. The rape stumbles haven't been touched since the combine came out of the field and there is a good cover of volunteers, my thinking is that I would like to spray round the hedge backs 7/10days pre drilling for a bit of ryegrass and brome but leave the bulk of the field and knock the rape plants out with the cultivator then drill the following day. The soils here are medium loamy soil. We were going to try min till wheat in 2012 but worked stubble too early and the constant rain turned it to puddle resulting in it being left for spring drilling. Any thoughts/ suggestions regarding timing of glypo and cultivation pre drilling

 

[Badshot]

Have you any grass weeds at all? Even very low levels?

 

[warksfarmer]

For the first time this year I am wanting to try some "min till" wheat after osr/beans and some 2nd wheats. The rape stumbles haven't been touched since the combine came out of the field and there is a good cover of volunteers, my thinking is that I would like to spray round the hedge backs 7/10days pre drilling for a bit of ryegrass and brome but leave the bulk of the field and knock the rape plants out with the cultivator then drill the following day. The soils here are medium loamy soil. We were going to try min till wheat in 2012 but worked stubble too early and the constant rain turned it to puddle resulting in it being left for spring drilling. Any thoughts/ suggestions regarding timing of glypo and cultivation pre drilling

Hindsight is great and now about 15 yrs of min till we wish we hadn't bothered because we think it's made the grass weeds worse.

If your a plough/drill system then think about adding a no-till drill and cut the min till bit out.

 

[DieselRob]

Have you any grass weeds at all? Even very low levels?

Only brome and rye creeping in from the bl00dy field margins. Non of the you-know-what (said firmly grasping the wooden table next to me)

@warksfarmer I'm not planning to banish the plough from the rotation, it will still be used ahead of barley. What I want to do is use the tools I've got to progress towards better soils, the last 3 years I have spread broiler muck on barley stubble, cultivated with a heva combilift then drilled with a combi drill. Rape does very well for it as I think the muck is a lot closer to the seed for quicker uptake. 2nd wheats also receive muck so surely this theory will also work here.

Surely cultural control and self restriction with lashing glyphosate on will both work hand in hand? At the moment introducing a strip-till/ no-till drill to the equation isn't really an option but in a few years time this is where I would like to head towards

 

[Badshot]

If you have any grass weeds you will get large transplanted ones that no pre em or post em will kill, that will be similar for broadleaved weeds too. Doing only the headlands is a false economy and will likely bite you in a year or two.

 

[rose pilchett]

osr and bean stubbles we used to go 3 m simba 2b discs with another tractor with 3 m combi following 15 mins behind, stops risk of porridge puddle as you describe

 

[yellow belly]

idealy for min till after rape cultivate early for bg and strile brome germination then leave for as long as possible spray off and drill with minimum disturbance
for other brome leave a month then min till

if you have bad bg then 6 weeks between cultivation and drill is ideal but do not use a cultivater drill (most farmers mistake with bg control)

 

[warksfarmer]

idealy for min till after rape cultivate early for bg and strile brome germination then leave for as long as possible spray off and drill with minimum disturbance
for other brome leave a month then min till

if you have bad bg then 6 weeks between cultivation and drill is ideal but do not use a cultivater drill (most farmers mistake with bg control)

Yep the likes of a vaderstad rapid have made the grass weed problem worse.

Somehow it's the best and worse drill at the same time.