Minette Batters NFU president

[Mwf]

So i disagree with you and that is aggressive?

You sound very much like Minette and her bullying claims on X when someone posts something she does not like!

If you want/ believe that you can change thinks then tell us how because from your posts so far i just read more of the same we have had to put up with from our industry leaders selling us the farmers out the last decade and more! ( and it gets worse every year )

You asked me a question.
You also accuse me of slating farmers in the same post. You then suggest that I should sort out everything before slating farmers?
I suggest that might be slightly aggressive.

I have no interest in bare knuckle fighting as you might have read in my very first post. Please don't tell me my opinion. I am not telling you yours.

 

[gone up the hill]

Not an NFU member, never was . Full of people who like to hear their own voice and now climb to get their new diversification payments and pensions, they say they talk to the goverment, put on a show for members but Gov body takes no notice, just polite interaction. If Bradshaw replaces Batters what does that say for the NFU top table, and how it thinks about its ordinary members, The french would nt stand for this, i dont advocate violance, BUT ther s plenty of steam going of on our own medias, but not where the public or buisness can see. I interact at every chance with the previous, the public now so little, but they have never seen a poor farmer, Iput themright , and the tesco manager who told me ,"pig farmers are subsidised" with a laugh i put him right NFU not fit for purpose , up with BFU.

Given the way Tom Bradshaw has carried on it would be a complete nonsense to now vote him in as president!

If they do it will just be the same as Minette, lies/ deceit and selling the industry down the river!

Post on another thread on here with a screen shot where Tom posted on another SM site that whilst he knew about the green module the NFU had no input into drawing it up and does not even know what is in this green module... Yet he and the sector board chairmen still voted in favour of introducing the green module at the Sept meeting!

So if that is the case why did the NFU not call for the vote on the green module to be deferred untill the NFU had time to see what was in the green module/ consult with NFU members... The bloke is a complete liar and of course he/ the sector boards know full well what is in it, the only thing he is angry about is the timing it was announced as clearly for him/ minette and the NFU as they clearly wanted to hide it from NFU members untill after the NFU elections/ AGM in Feb 24!

 

[gone up the hill]

You asked me a question.
You also accuse me of slating farmers in the same post. You then suggest that I should sort out everything before slating farmers?
I suggest that might be slightly aggressive.

I have no interest in bare knuckle fighting as you might have read in my very first post. Please don't tell me my opinion. I am not telling you yours.

You quite clearly slated some farmers in your post!

You will not deliver any changes, sad as that is but its clear from your posts!

You are using deflective tactics to sweep away questions that you do not wish/ have no answer for!

And yes the AHDB and RT need wholesale reform or both should be scrapped!

What are your views on the AHDB increasing levy's for beef/sheep by a whopping 25%??

And i have no issue with a basic RT scheme as long as all imports have to be produced to the same standard as well and a British RT scheme that is properly advertised/ marketed to the consumer

 

[L P]

Why so aggressive?

Who said they are rt schemes? I certainly didn't.....

I don't see GUTH was aggressive, but it is poking the bear claiming there are "premium" markets out there... there are to the end user, but the whole point is, they do not filter back to the farm gate

 

[L P]

So sorry @gone up the hill , I edited my abbreviation, it briefly read Gone over the hill... rude, oops!

 

[Mwf]

You quite clearly slated some farmers in your post!

You will not deliver any changes, sad as that is but its clear from your posts!

You are using deflective tactics to sweep away questions that you do not wish/ have no answer for!

And yes the AHDB and RT need wholesale reform or both should be scrapped!

What are your views on the AHDB increasing levy's for beef/sheep by a whopping 25%??

I am afraid that I do not wear rose tinted spectacles.
Cost of production within the uk will and does vary by quite some margin. This is not 'slating farmers', it is being honest about costs of production.

When competing on a large stage, there are few places to hide from that fact.
There are farmers competing on world prices and there are many not, and that is within every sector.

If you wish to broad brush over the variations in british agriculture, then you are only kidding yourself.
In your opinion, is every farm in britain working to the same cost and margin structure?

AHDB... I have been and still am a believer in the priciples of the AHDB. I have been very disappointed by it's performance in recent years and have made no secret of this. Timing of a levy increase could not be worse, and wether it is in beef,lamb or grain could not come at a worse time.
If the choice is to pay more to keep it, or see it fold, personally, I would like to see it perform, even better if it had been performing before asking for money.

I won't apologise for being honest about uk agriculture. Maybe therein lies the problem.

I refer you to my first post today. It asks for solutions, not fighting and shouting at the moon.
If you ever see me anywhere,come and have a chat.

 

[L P]

I am afraid that I do not wear rose tinted spectacles.
Cost of production within the uk will and does vary by quite some margin. This is not 'slating farmers', it is being honest about costs of production.

When competing on a large stage, there are few places to hide from that fact.
There are farmers competing on world prices and there are many not, and that is within every sector.

If you wish to broad brush over the variations in british agriculture, then you are only kidding yourself.
In your opinion, is every farm in britain working to the same cost and margin structure?

AHDB... I have been and still am a believer in the priciples of the AHDB. I have been very disappointed by it's performance in recent years and have made no secret of this. Timing of a levy increase could not be worse, and wether it is in beef,lamb or grain could not come at a worse time.
If the choice is to pay more to keep it, or see it fold, personally, I would like to see it perform, even better if it had been performing before asking for money.

I won't apologise for being honest about uk agriculture. Maybe therein lies the problem.

I refer you to my first post today. It asks for solutions, not fighting and shouting at the moon.
If you ever see me anywhere,come and have a chat.

Can I ask your background and current vocation in agriculture please?

 

[Mwf]

Can I ask your background and current vocation in agriculture please?

I am a farmer in Herefordshire,have been here 58 years.
Grew up with dairy, beef,sheep and corn and a few spuds.
Now grassland,corn,contracting,lettings,solar.
I was an AHDB monitor farmer 2017-2020
Did Worshipful Company leadership course 2010
Co chair Farm Herefordshire.

Just a farmer.

 

[DeeGee]

Well for what it’s worth I resigned from NFU last week, citing in no uncertain terms my disgust and anger at having been conned for years by the NFU dreaming up ever more Red Tractor regulations.

Was contacted yesterday by big cog in the NFU machine (a missed phone call and then a text) asking to chat about the situation. He having been asked to contact me by a county organiser following my resignation.

Maybe they really are loosing some members now?

Sorry for the speeling misstake. Should be ‘losing’, not ‘loosing’.

Anyway, that’s as maybe.

But I honestly can’t believe that a leading light in the NFU would ever be bothered enough to personally contact a relatively insignificant £500/annum member such as myself, to attempt to dissuade my jumping off the good ship NFU.

Unless of course they might have already seen several others deserting the good ship NFU; and now witness a jostling queue of like minded voyagers, all lined up and eagerly awaiting the chance to leap off the deck and swim for shore, and the land of self determination while they still had the chance.

 

[neilo]

So i disagree with you and that is aggressive?

You sound very much like Minette and her bullying claims on X when someone posts something she does not like!

If you want/ believe that you can change thinks then tell us how because from your posts so far i just read more of the same we have had to put up with from our industry leaders selling us the farmers out the last decade and more! ( and it gets worse every year )

Toning down the use of exclamation marks might help a bit! Just saying.

 

[gone up the hill]

So sorry @gone up the hill , I edited my abbreviation, it briefly read Gone over the hill... rude, oops!

Ha ha well hopefully i have a few more years in me before the grim reaper calls me over the hill

 

[gone up the hill]

Toning down the use of exclamation marks might help a bit! Just saying.

Are you for real?

There is about 2 in that long post..

Typical NFU person, use a deflection tactic on others that ask hard questions that the NFU person does not want to answer..

Thankfully people have got wise to it now and see thru it..

 

[gone up the hill]

I am a farmer in Herefordshire,have been here 58 years.
Grew up with dairy, beef,sheep and corn and a few spuds.
Now grassland,corn,contracting,lettings,solar.
I was an AHDB monitor farmer 2017-2020
Did Worshipful Company leadership course 2010
Co chair Farm Herefordshire.

Just a farmer.

Not really as you have several very profitable no farming intrests in Solar and lettings for starters..

More like a part time farmer with other business intrests would be a mcuh better description

 

[Mwf]

Not really as you have several very profitable no farming intrests in Solar and lettings for starters..

More like a part time farmer with other business intrests would be a mcuh better description

Bear baiting was banned in the middle ages.

Let's not.
You are welcome to visit. It might save you guessing.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Not an NFU member, never was . Full of people who like to hear their own voice and now climb to get their new diversification payments and pensions, they say they talk to the goverment, put on a show for members but Gov body takes no notice, just polite interaction. If Bradshaw replaces Batters what does that say for the NFU top table, and how it thinks about its ordinary members, The french would nt stand for this, i dont advocate violance, BUT ther s plenty of steam going of on our own medias, but not where the public or buisness can see. I interact at every chance with the previous, the public now so little, but they have never seen a poor farmer, Iput themright , and the tesco manager who told me ,"pig farmers are subsidised" with a laugh i put him right NFU not fit for purpose , up with BFU.

We're here for members new and existing bfu.org.uk . Wonder if there's a negative correlation between NFU resignations and BFU signups this past week or two. Probably.

So i disagree with you and that is aggressive?

You sound very much like Minette and her bullying claims on X when someone posts something she does not like!

If you want/ believe that you can change thinks then tell us how because from your posts so far i just read more of the same we have had to put up with from our industry leaders selling us the farmers out the last decade and more! ( and it gets worse every year )

To be fair, give him a chance. He hasn't come on here saying RT is brilliant and doesn't need to change at all. Seems more open minded to getting real change?? That's a big step in the right direction.

Just needs bold moves from a new president. e.g. pulling all farmers out of RT Combinables.

Mills have been taking the mickey. Insisting we're FA, then importing non-assured.

There's nothing wrong with our local authority Food Hygiene Inspectorate. Anyone who's not RT grain assured gets flagged up for a visit. They're independent inspectors. They're properly trained and qualified. They will close you down if not up to scratch. They won't overlook things like RT inspectors do. They're more thorough. They're totally cost free to the farmer.

....and what did NFU do to us? Red Tractor. Nice one NFU.

EVERYONE, join the BFU if you want change.

BFU.org.uk

 

[gone up the hill]

I am afraid that I do not wear rose tinted spectacles.
Cost of production within the uk will and does vary by quite some margin. This is not 'slating farmers', it is being honest about costs of production.

When competing on a large stage, there are few places to hide from that fact.
There are farmers competing on world prices and there are many not, and that is within every sector.

If you wish to broad brush over the variations in british agriculture, then you are only kidding yourself.
In your opinion, is every farm in britain working to the same cost and margin structure?

AHDB... I have been and still am a believer in the priciples of the AHDB. I have been very disappointed by it's performance in recent years and have made no secret of this. Timing of a levy increase could not be worse, and wether it is in beef,lamb or grain could not come at a worse time.
If the choice is to pay more to keep it, or see it fold, personally, I would like to see it perform, even better if it had been performing before asking for money.

I won't apologise for being honest about uk agriculture. Maybe therein lies the problem.

I refer you to my first post today. It asks for solutions, not fighting and shouting at the moon.
If you ever see me anywhere,come and have a chat.

AHDB have been talking about reform for years, never happens and will not happen!

I would suggest you are only seeing the problems in UK AG from your own viewpoint and whilst you claim to listen to others your mind is already made up ( which is actually very clear even from your posts on here )

If you expect that every farming business in the country will ever have the same cost and margins for the same enterprise and if you think that should be what the industry should be working towards then you are in for quite a shock and are not being realistic, sounds very much like COP contracts much favoured by the supermarkets and the line spun by the AHDB and NFU to me the last few years.. Yet you say you want change?!

 

[gone up the hill]

Bear baiting was banned in the middle ages.

Let's not.
You are welcome to visit. It might save you guessing.

No one is baiting you, just pointing out the facts!

Why do you refuse to answer any of the questions put to you ?

And you want change, well a good start is not carrying on like the rest of the NFU and using deflection tactics to get out of answering those questions!

 

[Bury the Trash]

£500/annum

The criminal way in which Eltecricty infrastructure wayleaves havnt kept pace with inflation and they not fought tooth and nail to the contraray...would be reason enough for me to be crying in my beer over that sort money going out.

Thankfully i havnt paid in to that bunch of twits for a few decades now,couldnt afford it. no benefit on doing so even back then.
and on recent charades the whole scenario is looking ridiculous and those defending it the same.

 

[gone up the hill]

We're here for members new and existing bfu.org.uk . Wonder if there's a negative correlation between NFU resignations and BFU signups this past week or two. Probably.

To be fair, give him a chance. He hasn't come on here saying RT is brilliant and doesn't need to change at all. Seems more open minded to getting real change?? That's a big step in the right direction.

Just needs bold moves from a new president. e.g. pulling all farmers out of RT Combinables.

Mills have been taking the mickey. Insisting we're FA, then importing non-assured.

There's nothing wrong with our local authority Food Hygiene Inspectorate. Anyone who's not RT grain assured gets flagged up for a visit. They're independent inspectors. They're properly trained and qualified. They will close you down if not up to scratch. They won't overlook things like RT inspectors do. They're more thorough. They're totally cost free to the farmer.

....and what did NFU do to us? Red Tractor. Nice one NFU.

EVERYONE, join the BFU if you want change.

BFU.org.uk

I appreciate him coming on here but from his reply's its very clear ( sadly ) that he has no intention of changing anything thou will claim he does to get the support he needs for whatever role he is after in the next NFU Elections, if he gets that role, it will just be more of the same!

If this chap really is genuine about change then let him set out on TFF what changes he will drive thru/ wants to see and will help make happen if he gets elected.

NFU at the top level needs people who want and will deliver change and not just say that just to get elected!

 

[neilo]

No one is baiting you, just pointing out the facts!

Why do you refuse to answer any of the questions put to you ?

And you want change, well a good start is not carrying on like the rest of the NFU and using deflection tactics to get out of answering those questions!

Maybe you could act in a civil manner and try asking your questions without shouting them out with the exclamation marks, or trying to sling shite at him?

You just come across as an angry teenager posting in such a manner.