Muck for straw what would you be happy with?

[tr250]

Arable farmer suppling wheat straw in the row roughly 1.7 tons an acre.

livestock farmer bales and carts straw turns it into muck from bull beef so intensively fed. Then spreads it on stubble with no stockpile etc. with no cost or work from arable farmer

What tons of muck per acre would you want to feel that it was fair for both parties?

 

[Adeptandy]

I would have thought fair would be arable farmer collected from you and spread it himself would be fairer to you as your baling and carting. assuming its a sole agreement and arable farmer getting all the muck for the straw supplied.

 

[curlietailz]

We supply all the pig farmers straw needs in the swath
He bales and leads it home
He only uses our straw ( we trust him)
He hauls the muck back to our field
We spread it

I reckon he’s only borrowing our straw

 

[teslacoils]

Acre of straw in the swath.
Trailer load of muck delivered back to the field.

 

[tr250]

Acre of straw in the swath.
Trailer load of muck delivered back to the field.

I don’t think he’d be terribly pleased if I turned up with the 3 ton trailer

 

[tr250]

Acre of straw in the swath.
Trailer load of muck delivered back to the field.

We supply all the pig farmers straw needs in the swath
He bales and leads it home
He only uses our straw ( we trust him)
He hauls the muck back to our field
We spread it

I reckon he’s only borrowing our straw

How many loads spreader loads of what size do you roughly get back

 

[Scotty]

have you seen the fert price recently !?
i recon the arable man should be baling, carting both ways and spreading , maybe even feeding cattle on the weekend !!

 

[teslacoils]

I don’t think he’d be terribly pleased if I turned up with the 3 ton trailer

Fair doos - normal sized arable trailer loaded so it doesnt fall onto the road. Say 14t? Because 14t of cattle muck is that RB209 lets us spread without faff.

I acknowledge the usual caveats, but thats the seemingly standard, long-term rates for north Lincs. And who really wants to pee about changing the terms of a deal that works every year? If Id got a good system set up and one day one party decided that a spike in fert prices meant they wanted to renegociate they would be told where to go.

 

[fieldfarmer]

have you seen the fert price recently !?
i recon the arable man should be baling, carting both ways and spreading , maybe even feeding cattle on the weekend !!

Have you seen how easy it is put put the straw chopper going! Just leave the potash there.

 

[HarryB97]

Sounds like a one sided agreement. The arable farmer needs to at least pay for the muck spreading and ideally cart some of the muck or contribute towards the baling or bale carting. I would stack all his straw separate from your own and just use it in some sheds so he gets all the muck back from just his straw and all his weed seeds etc as well.

 

[Scotty]

Have you seen how easy it is put put the straw chopper going! Just leave the potash there.

My fuel supply business will be delighted to Quote on your increased usage !!

 

[fieldfarmer]

Sounds like a one sided agreement. The arable farmer needs to at least pay for the muck spreading and ideally cart some of the muck or contribute towards the baling or bale carting. I would stack all his straw separate from your own and just use it in some sheds so he gets all the muck back from just his straw and all his weed seeds etc as well.

That sounds about perfect and one I would surely enter into, I don't want someone elses straw back I only get my straw back and would happily bale the straw for the deal also, haulage and spreading not a problem, all in house.

 

[fieldfarmer]

My fuel supply business will be delighted to Quote on your increased usage !!

Ha, ha, not a big enough increase to bother me, or make you rich.

 

[Chae1]

Each to there own, but no way would I let muck leave the farm. Rather pay going rate for straw and keep the muck.

 

[Sir loin]

We do muck for straw here , we bale he loads we lead (1 mile) muck back we lead he spreads, done for 10 years now but well out of pocket now due to fert and straw prices.

 

[teslacoils]

Each to there own, but no way would I let muck leave the farm. Rather pay going rate for straw and keep the muck.

Some dont have the area to spread on. Or the land to grow the straw on.

 

[Optimus]

Each to there own, but no way would I let muck leave the farm. Rather pay going rate for straw and keep the muck.

That's what I'd rather do now.cost me a fortune to cart it back last year.

 

[Chae1]

Some dont have the area to spread on. Or the land to grow the straw on.

Many livestock farmers have grass.

 

[teslacoils]

Many livestock farmers have grass.

Whereas many intensive pig farms or even cattle do not. OP is asking about straw supplied to intensive bull beef with presumably not enough of their own land to generate enough straw or spread their muck.

 

[BRB John]

Man you guys don't know how good you've got it. Clearly no one here lives near a straw burner or a carrot farm...

As far as op is concerned I'd keep his straw separate and take whatever muck it generates back to him.