New approach in piggeries
- Thread starter Ysgythan
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interesting, is he a relative (not a loaded question, this type of approach is right up my street)
He is, hence why he asks me to post his blogs here for enlightened comment...
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- Mendips Somerset
understand the theory ,and makes sense i used to spotlessly clean orphan lamb teats but soon realised a quick rinse never gave any issues on cold milk ,
but would the public go for it ie selling sick animals (as he put it ) , i doubt it ,
not sure how it stands up regard parasites either , remember not cleaning out one bay of a lambing once as there was hardly anything there , and hammered by cocci ,
but would the public go for it ie selling sick animals (as he put it ) , i doubt it ,
not sure how it stands up regard parasites either , remember not cleaning out one bay of a lambing once as there was hardly anything there , and hammered by cocci ,
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- North Antrim
he was referring to the salmon farms approach rather than advocating "selling sick animals" himself
How would they know and would they care if the end product and price is the same?
ollie989898
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I would not buy pork loaded with Salmonella, Ecoli or worms thank you. And there has been a case where a butcher was successfully prosecuted and imprisoned for selling meat thus contaminated. I believe several children became critically ill and someone even died as a result of consuming contaminated meat in that case.
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where is that advocated in the article?
betweenthelines
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I think he's actually advocating having an "acceptable" level of minor bacteria in the animal's environment rather than aiming for 100% bacteria free.
In the same way that if you had ten thistles in a 20 acre pasture, you wouldn't spray the field
In the same way that if you had ten thistles in a 20 acre pasture, you wouldn't spray the field
I've certainly had much healthier calves from keeping them 'dirty'.
Obviously it has to still be hygienic. However, allowing some resident bacteria does help to help animals build up an immunity and I found with feeding milk, if you can cultivate a good culture (I.e yoghurt) then cleaning feeders can be counter intuitive as you kill anything therefore leaving a blank slate. If you have a disease problem though then obviously you have to disinfect for the next group, and I have a 'clean' pen for sick calves. A clean pen isn't a clean as you think though, with environmental bacteria growing in even something disinfected quite quickly, so perhaps assuming it to be dirty is a better approach?
I remember a radio program once talking about the same problem with households that use a lot of disinfectant, leading to poor immune systems and higher antibiotic use.
Obviously it has to still be hygienic. However, allowing some resident bacteria does help to help animals build up an immunity and I found with feeding milk, if you can cultivate a good culture (I.e yoghurt) then cleaning feeders can be counter intuitive as you kill anything therefore leaving a blank slate. If you have a disease problem though then obviously you have to disinfect for the next group, and I have a 'clean' pen for sick calves. A clean pen isn't a clean as you think though, with environmental bacteria growing in even something disinfected quite quickly, so perhaps assuming it to be dirty is a better approach?
I remember a radio program once talking about the same problem with households that use a lot of disinfectant, leading to poor immune systems and higher antibiotic use.