New barn size and shape most suitable for future class q conversion.

[Cider drinker]

Hi all, putting a new barn up later this year and was wondering what peoples experience of class q conversions have been , and whether they could have made it easier and cheaper if they had constructed the barn with conversion in mind. Many thanks

 

[AJTG]

I imagine starting with the end in mind will help you end up with the conversion you're after, but bare in mind the barn has to be up for a minimum of 10 years before you'll be allowed to convert under Class Q, or before 20th March 2013. So it's a longer term investment and forward planning. I would guess Class Q would still be around by then, but who knows with the state the Gov is in nowadays.

Max overall floor space for one Class Q conversion is 465sqm, so that might help you in planning size of the building? Also making sure there's enough height for a first floor to be inserted and be a usable space.

 

[B R C]

I’ve been thinking about this as well, I’m thinking a Dutch barn with curved roof might be nice! If you look on Pinterest there are some beautiful conversions.

 

[AJTG]

My profile picture was a design we did for a dutch barn, they come out really nice! It depends a lot on the planners though. Happy to show you some others I've done if you'd like some inspiration?

 

[Still Farming]

Crystal ball

 

[teslacoils]

There won't be class Q in ten years.

 

[chaffcutter]

From what can gather most Planning Authorities are already very reluctant to allow class Q conversions, I don’t think our planners have allowed many at all.

 

[rob1]

From what can gather most Planning Authorities are already very reluctant to allow class Q conversions, I don’t think our planners have allowed many at all.

Thats what the planning inspectorate is for, to make the councils stick to the law

 

[Kidds]

Why not build a house shaped shed?

 

[S J H]

It needs plenty of pitch, they look wrong because most are a 15 degree roof

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Will Class Q be around in 10 years time? In reality it has been over used compared to its intended purpose when the GPDO was written and I wouldn't be surprised if class Q is tightened up or removed all together when the GPDO is next reviewed.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

There might not be class Q in 10 years, but there probably will be in 25, 50 or even 100 year, so value should always be there

A lot of Victorian brick barns built around here were converted in the 80s

Some of our buildings built recently have been done with conversion in mind - location, aspects, services, views etc

 

[Kidds]

Might not be class Q but there always was full planning.
Usually depended on the local housing supply whether or not it was worth applying.

 

[Pond digger]

Surely there’s a clause disallowing future new builds from eligibility? Otherwise I could put a shed up tomorrow, decide I don’t actually need it in a weeks time and put it in for planning under class Q.

 

[B R C]

@Pond digger see post #2. I think a speculative few £k spent now might be a reasonable gamble considering a good Dutch barn conversion a mile from here went for over £1million....
Edit, found it https://www.onthemarket.com/details/3643083/ and I don't think that's a particularly inspirational design.

 

[Goweresque]

Surely there’s a clause disallowing future new builds from eligibility? Otherwise I could put a shed up tomorrow, decide I don’t actually need it in a weeks time and put it in for planning under class Q.

All ag buildings put up under PD rights have a clause in the permission that states if the building is not needed for agriculture within the next 10 years it must be removed. So if you applied under class Q within that 10 year period you'd be admitting it wasn't needed for ag purposes, so should be demolished. Its only after the 10 years is up that 'potentially' one might be able to try under class Q, if it still exists of course.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

All ag buildings put up under PD rights have a clause in the permission that states if the building is not needed for agriculture within the next 10 years it must be removed. So if you applied under class Q within that 10 year period you'd be admitting it wasn't needed for ag purposes, so should be demolished. Its only after the 10 years is up that 'potentially' one might be able to try under class Q, if it still exists of course.

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[Pond digger]

@Pond digger see post #2. I think a speculative few £k spent now might be a reasonable gamble considering a good Dutch barn conversion a mile from here went for over £1million....
Edit, found it https://www.onthemarket.com/details/3643083/ and I don't think that's a particularly inspirational design.

Oops, missed that.

Thanks

 

[Pond digger]

All ag buildings put up under PD rights have a clause in the permission that states if the building is not needed for agriculture within the next 10 years it must be removed. So if you applied under class Q within that 10 year period you'd be admitting it wasn't needed for ag purposes, so should be demolished. Its only after the 10 years is up that 'potentially' one might be able to try under class Q, if it still exists of course.

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