New farmhouse design help

[Cow_calver]

Good afternoon, im looking to move from a house in the local village out to the farm and am trying to come up with an affordable design which can get through planning, what do people think of the following design its clad in natural sandstone and has timber windows and doors, slate roof!

Thanks

 

[Bald Rick]

Why wooden window frames? Making a millstone for yourself.

Other point is - are local houses clad in sandstone and slate roofed?

 

[SRRC]

I'd strongly urge you to to engage an architect who knows their way around your local planning authority, it's money well spent as it'll save you many a frustrating dead end.

 

[Cow_calver]

Why wooden window frames? Making a millstone for yourself.

Other point is - are local houses clad in sandstone and slate roofed?

We sent a preapplication to planners of it in white render, pvc windows etc and concrete tiled roof and 2 storey, they said to consider using these materials instead are they that much more expensive? Old barns etc round thus area are sandstone and slate yes not so much the houses but many of the new houses have special expemptions as theyre part of developments etc

 

[Cow_calver]

I'd strongly urge you to to engage an architect who knows their way around your local planning authority, it's money well spent as it'll save you many a frustrating dead end.

Yes my designer works for a house building company and has an idea what the local authority wants having built his own house in the area, its a case of trying to get a balance between what they want and affordabiliy we thought this shape was relatively cost effective planners tend to prefer rooflines broken up etc different angles on building all of which adds to the cost

 

[Bald Rick]

We sent a preapplication to planners of it in white render, pvc windows etc and concrete tiled roof and 2 storey, they said to consider using these materials instead are they that much more expensive? Old barns etc round thus area are sandstone and slate yes not so much the houses but many of the new houses have special expemptions as theyre part of developments etc

If you keep the appearance in character with what’s around locally, planners are generally happy but I’d push for uPVC windows (they can be brown and wood looking if you want)

And, as mentioned by @SRRC , at the very least use a planning consultant to take all the problems … and it may be worth an architect too. Money well spent

 

[Cow_calver]

If you keep the appearance in character with what’s around locally, planners are generally happy but I’d push for uPVC windows (they can be brown and wood looking if you want)

And, as mentioned by @SRRC , at the very least use a planning consultant to take all the problems … and it may be worth an architect too. Money well spent

Ok ill consider that then, what do you think of the arches? We added them as some local steading developmenta have them do they look ok.or better just with standard windows?

 

[Oliveau]

Not sure that is a good idea to have those big windows facing north-east. Good for light but cold in winter. But then the front elevation faces north west but the end faces north east according to your plan, which does not quite stack up

 

[deere 6600]

Defo get an architect or local planning consultant who knows how your local planners think or indeed if they can think please think about facing the house southerly with as big windows as you can big help with heating ,,!!!!

 

[steveR]

Use a porch, or even 2. It breaks up the design and an airlock is always useful for entering the house. Somewhere to stash coats, boots etc too.

 

[Yale]

2 things we should have done, had a slightly bigger utility room and an old fashioned pantry for packaged food storage.

 

[Cow_calver]

Not sure that is a good idea to have those big windows facing north-east. Good for light but cold in winter. But then the front elevation faces north west but the end faces north east according to your plan, which does not quite stack up

The arches which are in the front face north easterly but its in quite a sheltered spot and the rear faces south west which is where the wind tends to come from

 

[Cow_calver]

Defo get an architect or local planning consultant who knows how your local planners think or indeed if they can think please think about facing the house southerly with as big windows as you can big help with heating ,,!!!!

The guy im working with is a planning consultant too i was just trying to get a 2nd opinion about it on here, what do you think about the arches? There facing away from the prevailing winds but will let the sun in in the mornings do you like the look of them?

Thanks

 

[Cow_calver]

Use a porch, or even 2. It breaks up the design and an airlock is always useful for entering the house. Somewhere to stash coats, boots etc too.

The side door of the house opens into the utility room but yes that could be an option, loose the arches?

Thanks

 

[steveR]

The side door of the house opens into the utility room but yes that could be an option, loose the arches?

Thanks

The arches strike me as trying to be something they are not, ie of the vernacular? But is a matter of personal taste I reckon, but I agree they look like a heat drain, even triple glazed. I prefer plain french windows TBH, but that is me.

I quite like a full length "lean-to" type porch on a property, as it completely breaks up the slab that is a big wall. Can be partially glazed in.

 

[steveR]

The arches which are in the front face north easterly but its in quite a sheltered spot and the rear faces south west which is where the wind tends to come from

Local conditions always a factor. Orient a bit SE for the front?

 

[ollie989898]

Think about the backdoor as well as the front before planning the rest of the building around it- life on any farm involves a lot of outdoor time and if your significant other is anything like the conventional, they won't want you coming in the front door. You want to be able to come in the back door, remove dirty/smelly overclothes and hang them somewhere they won't affect the rest of the house. Ideally next to the utility room which should be large enough to house dogs, washing machine + tumble drier as well as being big enough to dry clothes or air them (plus ironing) without much grief. Ideally the noise from anything in this room should be well contained and away from the bedrooms.

I personally would put a loo and wet room type shower adjacent to this and near the back door also. 1. You can destink before reaching the kitchen, 2. You can shove the dog in there and shower it when it is next plastered or has rolled in something unmentionable. Domestic bliss ensues if you can work in a part of the house without contaminating the kitchen or usual living areas.

Timber framed windows are out, go for aluminium in whatever colour your prefer. Far more secure and lower maintenance. Modern ones look very smart.

Farm office, [if contained in the house], wants to be, again, handy to the backdoor.

If you are going to air source heating you need to insulate the living fudge out of everything, the walls, the floors, the roof, the windows.

 

[organicguy]

Ok ill consider that then, what do you think of the arches? We added them as some local steading developmenta have them do they look ok.or better just with standard windows?

Personally, not a fan.
Make windows as big as you can for natural light?

 

[ollie989898]

Personally, not a fan.
Make windows as big as you can for natural light?

Could have floor to ceiling windows, or even a panel of bi folding magic wall windows to let the outside air in on a nice day?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Don't the planners like spending other folks money,

For what its worth,
Get rid of one arch or both as you like, as its a big expanse of glass to loss heat, where a big window will be warmer rather than glass to the ground, ,
Feck Wood, its expensive and years of maintenance everyone can do without,
Fit PVC windows and doors, they don't swell or distort with weather,
Stick a garage on the end at back door, with a utility room in it joining the house, as farming in a very dirty wet job in your part of the world,.
Make sure that NO doors collide, ie where 2 open doors close to each other do not and cannot make contact.
I would put hips on the roof above the windows on one side, not that lifted up bit.
On other side let the windows down a touch and do away with it.
Stairs, get the custom made, as standard stairs are to steep, an extra 3 foot of footprint on stairs makes a hell of a difference in steepness and tread width.
And put a toilet in the above utility at back door, it saves a lot of work.
Go for dry verges on the roof not wet ones, this will mean no maintenance, quicker fit, and less costly.
Remember windows have to have a bigger opening one to allow escape from fire, get them up stairs to open both ways, this allows better access to clean them, and can be left slightly open in summer without the p1ssin rain you have getting in.

Just a note, as we all know building costs have gone up dramatically the last 2 years,
And full vat can be claimed back on new builds,
So it does not really cost the much more to make each room slightly bigger, as you still have the same amount of heating, windows, doors, etc, so 1 block extra each way gives more room in each room, yes there is more roof, but there up there doing the roof to start with an extra 6 foot is not much in the scheme of things.
And nobody every said this room is to big,