- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Rather an expensive way to solve a problem, is it not? How much extra are tracks? £40k?
New holland CH combine
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- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I spoke with Nigel Honeyman this morning about seeing the CH.
So far, capacities in tonnes/ hour have been in the lower to mid 40's. Being well into CR figures at as he says, for a substantially lower purchase costs.
The CH is designed to replace Straw Walker models, not the CR.
However, as regards cost/tonne harvesting capacity, it will be very hard to beat and NH expect to sell many to users of other manufactured brands.
One of the biggest problems is trying to find a home for 2nd hand Flagship Combines. Whereas the CH will maintain a good resale figure because of its reduced size and initial purchase cost.
So far, capacities in tonnes/ hour have been in the lower to mid 40's. Being well into CR figures at as he says, for a substantially lower purchase costs.
The CH is not a CR with a drum on the front. Its rotors will not mangle the straw like a CR, Lexions, JD CTS's and Axial Flows would do. The drum does the majority of the separation, but mostly with the rear angle of the Concave in its open position. The CH rotors do the rest, but with very much less aggressiveness than a CR rotor.
The CH is designed to replace Straw Walker models, not the CR.
However, as regards cost/tonne harvesting capacity, it will be very hard to beat and NH expect to sell many to users of other manufactured brands.
One of the biggest problems is trying to find a home for 2nd hand Flagship Combines. Whereas the CH will maintain a good resale figure because of its reduced size and initial purchase cost.
I'm a bit perplexed as to why the CH is running 2 rotors on a medium sized combine, when the Tucano uses one.
I'm sure its a performance issue otherwise they wouldn't do it, but in terms of simplicity, cost and packaging you'd have thought they would have copied the Tucano.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
That Tucano is a great Combine!
I suspect it is because NH claim that the guy who originally invented the Axial-flow took it to IH, then realised it should have been twin Rotors (presumable in an attempt to ensure a more even delivery of grain and MOG to the sieves) and took this idea to NH.
It would look rather silly if NH started using a single rotor, even though both are now owned by CNH!
But, I imagine the real reason is that the CH7.70 rotors replace 6 straw walkers as are fitted in the CX 6.90.
2 smaller diameter rotors occupy less space than a single rotor and are roughly the same dimensions as the walkers when in motion, therefore enabling NH to use the same chassis and tin-work.
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
There was a farming company round here who had lexions of the same size, but one had tracks the other was on wheels. They always did more in a day with the tracked machine due to the greater header stability.
I would assume you would get a fair bit of the extra cost back at resale, at least until the undercarriage begins to look ropey.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Oddly all the CR straw I have seen is better than some walker ones, definitely not axial flow or TF type straw.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
IME the large rotor CR is far better quality than the small rotor. It also depends how you set them up.
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
The biggest improvement in thrashing is the variheader that presents the heads first
get the knife to auger distance right for the length of straw
in the past newholland had a bigger knife to auger gap that allowed head first with longer straw
but for out put leaving as much straw as possible gives highest output
and lowest fuel use per tonnes
the more Abrupt changes in direction of straw the more fuel
on top of the above early ripe crops are better
modern varieties are all late compared with 30 years ago
get the knife to auger distance right for the length of straw
in the past newholland had a bigger knife to auger gap that allowed head first with longer straw
but for out put leaving as much straw as possible gives highest output
and lowest fuel use per tonnes
the more Abrupt changes in direction of straw the more fuel
on top of the above early ripe crops are better
modern varieties are all late compared with 30 years ago
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Looks and sounds pretty impressive (if you understand Polish!)
It’s a shame NH can’t find a demonstrator driver who knows what he doing!
Reel too low and you can hear the drum pulsing, which undoubtedly means that the vari-feed header is set wrong - in this case not far enough forward. This alone would have increased his forward speed by a at least 1 kph.
Would you not agree @fergie35 ?
It’s a shame NH can’t find a demonstrator driver who knows what he doing!
Reel too low and you can hear the drum pulsing, which undoubtedly means that the vari-feed header is set wrong - in this case not far enough forward. This alone would have increased his forward speed by a at least 1 kph.
Would you not agree @fergie35 ?
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I heard NH have an demonstrator (Australian?) who tours the globe for them. He certainly impressed someone in the locality who changed from Claas to NH on the strength of his demo after 40 years lime green
- Location
- Buckinghamshire
Yes he is very good and clued up on NH combines
bluegreen
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Starting to see NH taking back a few sales off Claas round these parts too after several years of one way traffic in the opposite direction. I knew of three last year and another this. In fact the Australian guy was on DOEs website (I think) setting up a new big CR that had replaced a Lexion near Newmarket, the farm in question had been green going right back to a Commander 115 in the 80s!!
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Unless he can speed Polish really well, the one in that video definitely wasn’t him!
But it does amaze me in that video that the drum is definitely pulsating, which is a sure sign that the verified is not far enough forward and the slow-mo actually showing it spitting straw (including the ear) forward so that the ear hits the ground head-first and it lost.
On a walker machine, if you can hear the drum pulsating, you will usually see a lumpy straw swath as well.
It doesn’t matter if the drum roars as long as it doesn’t pulsate.
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
So which would have more output, a CX8.70 or CH7.70?
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
The Flow rate of the CH in wheat is about 43 tonnes/hour.
I don’t know what the CX8.70 Flow rate is, but doubt it will be more.
However, according to Nigel Honeyman (UK Head of NH Harvesters) the CH will be considerably cheaper.
- Location
- Suffolk
Team — Harvest Support Services
www.harvestsupportservices.international
Pretty sure it's this guy. I met him briefly when he demoed an NH at an old job. Touring the world in perpetual summer driving brand new combines sounds like an amazing job
barleybasher
Member
Lol back seat Drivers the lot of you!
I've met Vernon the "aussie guy" , he helps Ernest Doe during Demo Season and also an NH Dealer in Scotland.
I've met Vernon the "aussie guy" , he helps Ernest Doe during Demo Season and also an NH Dealer in Scotland.
- Location
- Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Yes Vernon comes up to Agricar after a stint down south,good guy doesn't just push the stick forward but sets it up for min losses,max output which a few demo drivers just look for forward speed.
- Location
- Cirencester
Looks very much like a CX under the left hand side panel, back hood looks the same too. Wonder if they have bothered fitting grease nipples on the rear axles unlike the CX (which used to squeak its way down the field!) Also no greasers on the chopper bearings.