- Location
- Essex
No, but there are cross compliance implications. Not the answer to your question I realise.
New information about local nature recovery and landscape recovery
- Thread starter Janet Hughes Defra
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not really
if by reducing environmental impact here we increase food imports and increase environmental impact elsewhere then the to are linked
that was the best thing about BPS you could do what you like with the money even spend it on hobbies
I think it's a widely overlooked factor in current subs.
Am awful lot of us 'prop up' the farm business with those payments.
I'd love to know the % that gets recycled almost immediately.
The sub detractors don't want to see that aspect.
- Location
- Essex
I do want to see that aspect. I want to know if what I'm doing on the farm is economically viable. If I'm living off the subsidy, which some of us could, then what's the point of running a loss making operation alongside it?
Whilst it’s great to be given free money to do what you want with it’s never going to gain us the respect of the public
- Location
- Cirencester
Well it’s fairly easy to work out, every year I give the sub money straight back to the bank!!
On an average year my profit is anything from £60k to £90k, my sub currently is £42k and is included in farm accounts so without it things don’t look terribly great for long term investment or expansion or anything else except plain survival.
Wage bill is £10200/yr so if I paid myself the same as Janet I suspect I would be making a healthy loss!!
Fortunately solar/light industrial will make up the shortfall going forwards.
- Location
- Essex
There are reportedly quite a number of farms whose profits are lower than the bps though.
Plenty of farms losing money even with bps. What is the point.
- Location
- Cirencester
Mine would be if I paid myself a proper wage and made pension contributions.
- Location
- Essex
The point is that alot want to carry on as they are and always have.
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Although being in the fortunate position of being owner/occupier I always look at my accounts and add on an average rent and average wage which I don't take out the farm and come to the conclusion that I would be making a loss most years if I had both to pay!
- Location
- North Somerset.
It also appears to have been forgotten that the common agricultural poilcy was designed by the French and Germans ( for the benefit of the French) to keep the peasants on the land. This support for the rural economy intended to prevent depopulation and migration to the cities. Remember the French Revolution?
Carrie Antoinette (Johnson) and the Goldsmith brothers, ‘let them eat woodchip’
Should probably include bps as windfall rather than income also
Just have the money thanks, makes no odds everyone gets government subsidy's of one kind or another,
pride goes before a fall.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
How do they carry on? If we run out of cash it’s gameover? We don’t have any other reserves we can draw on.
- Location
- Devon
You are correct in that LNR/LR are not about food security which is what is significant.
This thread keeps referring to BPS which did contribute to some food security and its replacement not only removes any security but actively reduces it.
To purely consider them as separate issues is foolhardy to the extreme.
Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
Having read most of the posts on here, is no-one else slightly offended that the initial assumption seems to be that landscape and nature have not been looked after by the custodians? Surely we all have a favourite corner of the farm where nature runs a little wilder and a few trees get dug in?
I have about an acre where nature is suitably guided and it's just there for my family and I to enjoy, not to be trampled by those enjoying the 'public goods'.
I have about an acre where nature is suitably guided and it's just there for my family and I to enjoy, not to be trampled by those enjoying the 'public goods'.
- Location
- Cirencester
Completely agree, I have a couple of spots here similar, no crag rats, my quiet place!! No phone signal either which is a bonus
- Location
- Essex
They are not interdependent though. You don't need to farm to claim bps and you don't need to claim bps to farm.