New tractor delivery dates

[OGB]

slightly off topic told by a lorry friend hes ordered a new skelly trailer be delivered 2 yrs

Digress once again, but my electrician friend has been waiting over 12 months for two new transits.. seems to be a shortage and/or high demand for people to use/convert for campers

 

[Stw88]

Tractors have become far to complicated mainly because of emissions crap!! There’s so many sensors and wires on modern engines and there is just no need. Cut all this out add in an old fashioned gear stick and clutch pedal, 3 leavers for spools and away you go. ( Maby keep the electronic arm lift tho) nice quiet cab with air con and a radio and it would be a big seller.

 

[Far North Gollach]

....or Iraq, or Syria, or Yemen, etc, etc, etc.............

China is, and has been building whole new City's for the last 20 years !

Covid is taking the blame for the shortages and price increases, in reality one of the main drivers is the increase in demand in Asia as population, incomes and quality of life improves. The East has been totally reliant on the trade from the West, now that reliance is getting much less.

The World has been changing for sometime, the once affluent, wealthy West is under severe pressure from the East, and may soon be playing second fiddle.

Putin has only lit the blue touch paper.

The last time I was working in Dalian shipyard in China (very busy northern ship building and sea port), there was 38 new skyscrapers around us getting built and that was for the workers in the shipyards. Until you've been out there and see the speed and scale of how they are building things, we have no hope of ever building things on a commercial scale in this country or the West for that matter.

Little wonder the Chinese have been buying up all the mineral assets around the world, part of their master plan which supposedly is planning 500 years ahead, not 25 years like most western governments.

The disastrous two new ferries getting built on the Clyde for Calmac are an example, in the Chinese shipyard we were in they had 7 rigs getting built for customers plus an oil rig getting built in the corner of the yard on spec on the off chance some one would buy it. If they caught up with work on the 7 ordered they would just stick a 750-1000 people across onto that project. If you went to China with £250 million that the Clyde ferries are going to cost, I suspect you would have at least 4 x similar ferries built using western components if not more. The rigs getting built at that time there were £100 million turn key projects (basic rig fitted out with western equipment).

I'm lucky working and travelling like I have as I think it's fairly broadened my outlook on life, family, working & everything in between but everyone should wake up to the fact that the West cannot compete with the East regarding labour, hence why everything is made out East. The wages out there was $5 a day for semi-skilled and $10 a day for skilled workers - a day..!! My son who is a 2nd year apprentice gets more than that an hour, he doesn't realize how good a thing he's on but still thinks he's worth more..!!

Back onto the thread now - I do expect Chinese tractors and machinery to start making inroads in the West as well, you might be driving one in the next decade or so. I believe that JD and CNH have tie ups with manufacturers out there already.

TBH if the price was right with a good warranty and back up why wouldn't you buy Chinese as their engineering QC is improving year on year, the technology is mature and the R&D is up with the best (they copy everything that's good and make their own renamed copies). I bet that every modern tractor the west has made has been reverse engineered and on a CAD program so they could make anything we have!!

 

[Far North Gollach]

Tractors have become far to complicated mainly because of emissions crap!! There’s so many sensors and wires on modern engines and there is just no need. Cut all this out add in an old fashioned gear stick and clutch pedal, 3 leavers for spools and away you go. ( Maby keep the electronic arm lift tho) nice quiet cab with air con and a radio and it would be a big seller.

100% agree but modern common-rail engines must have these sensors because there is no mechanical fuel control (mechanical governor to you and me). Hence why they have sensors everywhere, its an evil that's needed but I'm the same - hate everything electronic on cars / tractors / vans with a passion. If someone made a basic tractor I'm sure it would be a big seller, I could never understand why TAFE never made some bigger models of the older 300 series Masseys.

 

[thesilentone]

The last time I was working in Dalian shipyard in China (very busy northern ship building and sea port), there was 38 new skyscrapers around us getting built and that was for the workers in the shipyards. Until you've been out there and see the speed and scale of how they are building things, we have no hope of ever building things on a commercial scale in this country or the West for that matter.

Little wonder the Chinese have been buying up all the mineral assets around the world, part of their master plan which supposedly is planning 500 years ahead, not 25 years like most western governments.

The disastrous two new ferries getting built on the Clyde for Calmac are an example, in the Chinese shipyard we were in they had 7 rigs getting built for customers plus an oil rig getting built in the corner of the yard on spec on the off chance some one would buy it. If they caught up with work on the 7 ordered they would just stick a 750-1000 people across onto that project. If you went to China with £250 million that the Clyde ferries are going to cost, I suspect you would have at least 4 x similar ferries built using western components if not more. The rigs getting built at that time there were £100 million turn key projects (basic rig fitted out with western equipment).

I'm lucky working and travelling like I have as I think it's fairly broadened my outlook on life, family, working & everything in between but everyone should wake up to the fact that the West cannot compete with the East regarding labour, hence why everything is made out East. The wages out there was $5 a day for semi-skilled and $10 a day for skilled workers - a day..!! My son who is a 2nd year apprentice gets more than that an hour, he doesn't realize how good a thing he's on but still thinks he's worth more..!!

Back onto the thread now - I do expect Chinese tractors and machinery to start making inroads in the West as well, you might be driving one in the next decade or so. I believe that JD and CNH have tie ups with manufacturers out there already.

TBH if the price was right with a good warranty and back up why wouldn't you buy Chinese as their engineering QC is improving year on year, the technology is mature and the R&D is up with the best (they copy everything that's good and make their own renamed copies). I bet that every modern tractor the west has made has been reverse engineered and on a CAD program so they could make anything we have!!

Our politicians are well aware, and have been for sometime. China is an oil tanker that cannot be stopped or turned around, no matter what.

They are predicted to become the World's largest economy by 2050, overtaking the USA. My bet is, they already are. As the old saying go's, he who pays the piper, calls the tune.

Trade taxes, sanctions, demanding rules, regulations, specifications (the EU's protective cloak) mean diddly squat when people have no money.

There are 4 or 5 key markets drivers that create the perfect storm. Fuel, Food, Public Services etc, all leading to inflation, which can be tempered and beaten by Industrial and Financial output, however throw a world demand for resources into the pot, and the storm only gets worse.

Should have added, China although short of coal and gas, holds more resources than most.

 

[paul&mandy]

Been told should see the tractor 1st week of November. Fingers crossed...

 

[barleybasher]

Some of the bigger dealers look like they still have new tractor stock, not sure whether that will still be the case at the end of the year...

Manitou I have heard it's almost 2024 delivery now for a new machine. Can't be great for customers or dealers!!!

 

[Martin Holden]

Digress once again, but my electrician friend has been waiting over 12 months for two new transits.. seems to be a shortage and/or high demand for people to use/convert for campers

Going to be a glut of camper and and caravans sometime soon on the used market.

 

[jack6480]

Who is buying 150k tractors and £100k loadalls?

 

[thorpe]

Who is buying 150k tractors and £100k loadalls?

?

 

[Cowabunga]

Hi, I ordered a new JD 6 weeks ago with an estimated delivery of November/December. I've still not had a build date that I was told would be released soon as the order was put in.
I have chased this and dealer not go it yet.
Anyone else having troubles with extended build/delivery dates? I'm in no rush for it and to be honest I'd rather it turn up next spring anyway.
Just am I now looking at another 6 weeks on top of the November December delivery?
Anyone else ordered a JD and how soon did you get the date it was going down the line?

It will be built when its being built. This is like one of those unanswerable questions, such as ‘how long is a piece of string?'

 

[Cowabunga]

with all these really "long" lead times for equipment, does anyone else think that there will be a number of people forward ordering machinery/trucks etc in case they need them. By the time they are due delivery, many businesses will have changed and we could potentially end up with a load of equipment which is not required?

Dealers really should be forward ordering for stock. In arable areas there should be excellent sales prospects later this year.

 

[paul&mandy]

It will be built when its being built. This is like one of those unanswerable questions, such as ‘how long is a piece of string?'

I know that's why I thought I'd ask on here how others are getting on. I don't personally know anyone who's ordered a new tractor and I was seeing how long others were having to wait.

 

[Cowabunga]

Back onto the thread now - I do expect Chinese tractors and machinery to start making inroads in the West as well, you might be driving one in the next decade or so. I believe that JD and CNH have tie ups with manufacturers out there already.

TBH if the price was right with a good warranty and back up why wouldn't you buy Chinese as their engineering QC is improving year on year, the technology is mature and the R&D is up with the best (they copy everything that's good and make their own renamed copies). I bet that every modern tractor the west has made has been reverse engineered and on a CAD program so they could make anything we have!!

On principle because the Chinese Communist Party is grossly repressive and ruthless much like Putin’s Russian regime. I would not buy their kit is I had a choice. Also I try and buy British, or at least European whenever possible for the same reasons. I want British people in Britain retaining high value jobs making products for export and so that I can buy them. I am dead against exporting our jobs to China or anywhere else. Food production/farming is going that way fast, particularly field fruit and veg and ruminant animals, even pigs, seemingly with the active encouragement of the UK Government. Before long there will be nothing of value left being manufactured in the UK at this rate. We are being made uncompetitive by our own Government’s actions and inaction.

 

[Bob lincs]

Who is buying 150k tractors and £100k loadalls?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Dealers really should be forward ordering for stock. In arable areas there should be excellent sales prospects later this year.

Aye tractors are like potatoes, if there is lots about, the merchants turned their nose up, and wanted them for less.

On a low yield year, they would fight over them and even take all the scabby ones as well.

So like anything in a shortage, it's not what spec it is, you either want it or not

 

[Cowabunga]

I know that's why I thought I'd ask on here how others are getting on. I don't personally know anyone who's ordered a new tractor and I was seeing how long others were having to wait.

No point asking manufacturers unless it’s imminent. I once had the severe embarrassment of selling a new model tractor to a customer and being told by company managers that there was a maximum of four month wait. Fourteen months later the tractor arrived. Every time I asked the area manager or higher up I would be fed some bullcrap which in my innocence I passed onto the customer in good faith.
I was far more angry than the customer as the twelve months passed. Other dealers of the same brand were by then being asked by my customer if they could deliver and, of course, they would stir the pot and claim that they would have delivered long ago.

 

[Cowabunga]

Aye tractors are like potatoes, if there is lots about, the merchants turned their nose up, and wanted them for less.

On a low yield year, they would fight over them and even take all the scabby ones as well.

So like anything in a shortage, it's not what spec it is, you either want it or not

In this situation the dealers would tend to spec tractors up for stock. Far easier to 'sell up' rather than try and persuade someone to buy a lesser product than they wanted.

 

[mf7480]

It will be built when its being built. This is like one of those unanswerable questions, such as ‘how long is a piece of string?'

It’s not an unanswerable question at all, once the order is sourced (Deere have worked out where all the parts are needed to build it), they give you a date. Typically the tractor arrives at the dealers a week before that date.

Before the order is sourced it’s a bit of a lottery but it sounds like the OP’s one has been as he now has a date.

 

[Robt]

It’s not an unanswerable question at all, once the order is sourced (Deere have worked out where all the parts are needed to build it), they give you a date. Typically the tractor arrives at the dealers a week before that date.

Before the order is sourced it’s a bit of a lottery but it sounds like the OP’s one has been as he now has a date.

In a normal year yes that is the case. However all the companies supplying the manufacturer are constanlty changing their supply dates so things happen