New Zealand has higher farm animal welfare

[CopperBeech]

Put it a different way for you then
When you buy a farm you explore all income streams possible
That’s just what happens and how it is

What made you so angry ? I don’t think you’re arguing about anything anyone said if you’re a multi billionaire you’re wealth manager tells you to buy farms and try to turn over a lot of money, and not make too much profit

It wouldn’t matter one iota if the ground was just topped twice a year.

 

[livestock 1]

What made you so angry ? I don’t think you’re arguing about anything anyone said if you’re a multi billionaire you’re wealth manager tells you to buy farms and try to turn over a lot of money, and not make too much profit

It wouldn’t matter one iota if the ground was just topped twice a year.

Thought I was quite happy today

 

[kiwi pom]

The place next door to our old family ranch changed hands 7 times between 1987 and 2001

it has seen cattle, sheep, deer, ostriches, deer, standing grass, and fodderbeet hauled off the place. Fodderbeet grazed in-situ by dairy cows the size of minivans.

Amazing what that bit of land has made bankers over the years

You've proved my point, no one could make it pay as a farm so it was moved on several times. If you borrow to buy land, it needs to generate income, there's currently more ways to do that in the UK.
You could just leave it and do nothing, that's not much different than millionaires buying it because they want a big garden. In a few years the government might pay you to plant trees or rewild it (whatever that is) but at the moment its either a farm or big garden.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Great assumption

.. incorrect, but great as far as incorrect assumptions go

 

[kiwi pom]

Great assumption

.. incorrect, but great as far as incorrect assumptions go

So why did it change hands 7 times in 14 years?

 

[Henarar]

So why did it change hands 7 times in 14 years?

View want very nice

 

[Kiwi Pete]

So why did it change hands 7 times in 14 years?

2 divorces to settle, and 4 retirements. Farmer 7 is still there.

I was wondering how you arrived at "no one could make it pay as a farm" from what I posted

PS - it's better to begin a sentence with 'So' if it relates to the previous sentence, you sound like you're trying to have an argument otherwise

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[CopperBeech]

To be fair the whole tome of your post seemed to suggest that they couldn’t make it pay .......

 

[MRT]

To be fair the whole tome of your post seemed to suggest that they couldn’t make it pay .......

If it paid better maybe they wouldn't have got divorced

 

[JD-Kid]

So why did it change hands 7 times in 14 years?

bloke next door is a arse hahahahahahahaha

 

[Kiwi Pete]

If it paid better maybe they wouldn't have got divorced

Quite an amazing run of building on the house, I think each lady-boss totally redesigned it.
Not too sure why!

At one point they had the roof off it and made all the internal walls non-load-bearing, Ted said it would have been as cheap to just build a new one beside it, but did it anyway...

Now the house sits empty because the current owner built a massive new place along the road, but again they poured a heap of money into pulling the new central heating system out of it and putting a new central heating system in

....

I guess the moral of the story is to pick your business partner pretty carefully, and don't send your money to town unless it came from there

 

[Kiwi Pete]

To be fair the whole tome of your post seemed to suggest that they couldn’t make it pay .......

Did it?

I only said it changed hands often - in NZ businesses that's commonplace.

The local store has changed hands 3 times since we moved here... same story, the owners either retire with their winnings or move up.

Ross said to me he "never expected to come to this wee village and make so much money, so fast" so maybe it's going bust

 

[livestock 1]

You've proved my point, no one could make it pay as a farm so it was moved on several times. If you borrow to buy land, it needs to generate income, there's currently more ways to do that in the UK.
You could just leave it and do nothing, that's not much different than millionaires buying it because they want a big garden. In a few years the government might pay you to plant trees or rewild it (whatever that is) but at the moment its either a farm or big garden.

I don’t think it’s appropriate for you to be saying on here that you can buy a farm and get it paid for with subsidies.
If it’s not true then you shouldn’t be saying it.

 

[Global ovine]

The above debate needs a positive twist seeing it has thankfully drifted from the original post to where opportunities are.

Goals are key, says Share Farmer of the Year

Where there’s a Will, there’s a way. English-born farmer Will Green has taken every opportunity the New Zealand dairy industry has offered — and it...

www.odt.co.nz

Great to see a keen young farming couple excel. It's people like these that should be admired, as their energy is not consumed in pointless defense of their situation.

 

[Gulli]

The above debate needs a positive twist seeing it has thankfully drifted from the original post to where opportunities are.

Goals are key, says Share Farmer of the Year

Where there’s a Will, there’s a way. English-born farmer Will Green has taken every opportunity the New Zealand dairy industry has offered — and it...

www.odt.co.nz

Great to see a keen young farming couple excel. It's people like these that should be admired, as their energy is not consumed in pointless defense of their situation.

Will's a real good bloke, pleased to see him succeeding!
Toured the bars and hostels of NZ with him in 2009/10 and made some very hazy memories

 

[Kiwi Pete]

bloke next door is a arse hahahahahahahaha

They're dead

 

[stewart]

Utter load of rubbish!

NZ certainly does not have higher welfare than the UK!

Having farmed in both countries I would say NZ welfare standards are at least as high as the UK, both countries have high standards, unfortunately many in the UK fail to see it.

 

[Global ovine]

Having farmed in both countries I would say NZ welfare standards are at least as high as the UK, both countries have high standards, unfortunately many in the UK fail to see it.

I have seen a lot in both countries too and rate both very similar. Where variation occurs, it is due to flock/herd size differences found between them. Smaller flocks/herd sizes predominate in the UK leading to more individual animal treatment. In NZ larger flocks/herds exist per labour unit leading to more emphasis on reducing causes of disease. The dependency on direct profit from the enterprise only also encourages NZ farmers to seek other disease control measures, such as genetic solutions, rather than rely on treatments. Fly strike and birthing difficulties being good examples.
Every nation has different challenges and cultural practices, confusing these under the banner of being "best" is unhelpful whether the issue is animal welfare or health and safety or environmental degradation.

 

[livestock 1]

I have seen a lot in both countries too and rate both very similar. Where variation occurs, it is due to flock/herd size differences found between them. Smaller flocks/herd sizes predominate in the UK leading to more individual animal treatment. In NZ larger flocks/herds exist per labour unit leading to more emphasis on reducing causes of disease. The dependency on direct profit from the enterprise only also encourages NZ farmers to seek other disease control measures, such as genetic solutions, rather than rely on treatments. Fly strike and birthing difficulties being good examples.
Every nation has different challenges and cultural practices, confusing these under the banner of being "best" is unhelpful whether the issue is animal welfare or health and safety or environmental degradation.

This is basically what I’ve been told by my friends that come and help me from NZ with my farming enterprise