NH/Deutz/MF/JD or Fendt?

[beefboy]

I know a farmer south of Bristol who came over this side of the river to the JD dealer in Raglan and saved a lot of money!!!!

Have you tried them? I found them competitive to other makes of tractor as well.

 

[SilliamWhale]

No tax relief on holidays

Um sorry, I mean study tour...

 

[itsintheblood]

Out of interest @SRRC when was the last time you changed a tractor for another breed other than a Massey ?

 

[SRRC]

Always had Massey, still use two 135's (1968 and that wonderful potato year 1976). When I was in short trousers, (and you were at Gliddons!) we had one or two of the first Ford Q cabs here, would that have been a 6700 or 7700 in the mid to late 1970's?
Then in the 80's Luckes of Taunton came on the scene and started us on (I may be wrong here) a series of MF including a 590, 575, then onto 3065, 3060 and 3075, seemed to avoid the 6100s except for a 6130, then into a 6255 and latterly three 6460's.
They have served us well over the years so it's quite a change.
But then it's still cheaper than getting a new wife!

 

[Gerbert]

Well, I do like your new tractor. However, I share the idea of it being a little over the top to swop such a fresh tractor.
I can not fathom why you would want to lease a new tractor rather then own an older one with those hours. With any hours actually.
But, kudo's for being honest!

 

[SRRC]

We do normally keep kit for years and accept the higher maintenance burden. Provided it still does it's job then that's fine. Our combine is 10 yrs old and was bought used at 6 yrs old, it's an 18ft hillsider big enough to rattle through our crops in good time. Other tractors and handlers here are of various ages, but the two frontline tractors we change at about 6 or 7 years at about 3000 hours. That seems to be a place on the depreciation graph where they are still worth sensible money and the cost to change is not out of reach.
Those halcyon days when you buy a new tractor for a trailer full (or two) of wheat and get more for the trade in are long gone. Whatever John1594 says they were crap anyway and needed changing regularly!

 

[james ds]

You say you really like the Sisu engine in the massey , have a look at Valtra . you could be surprised.

 

[DaveJ]

Can any recent 6125R users/owners comment on a couple of things for me? I had one on loan for a couple of weeks 12 months ago and broadly agree with the OP's opinions, however there were two negatives that really stuck out. One was the particulate filter regeneration, which made such a drone in the exhaust it resonated the whole cab to the point I found it intolerable to be in there. The other was the torque curve, which went off a cliff as soon as the engine dropped out of boost pulling up a steep hill with a load.
Now the tractor I had was a very early one and I've been assured the exhaust drone was something amis. The inability to lug though appears to be common right across the 6R range judging by the comments on here?

 

[Fraserb]

Can any recent 6125R users/owners comment on a couple of things for me? I had one on loan for a couple of weeks 12 months ago and broadly agree with the OP's opinions, however there were two negatives that really stuck out. One was the particulate filter regeneration, which made such a drone in the exhaust it resonated the whole cab to the point I found it intolerable to be in there. The other was the torque curve, which went off a cliff as soon as the engine dropped out of boost pulling up a steep hill with a load.
Now the tractor I had was a very early one and I've been assured the exhaust drone was something amis. The inability to lug though appears to be common right across the 6R range judging by the comments on here?

Mine is a 6210 but there is a definite change in tone when its regenerating, wouldn't say its louder but a noticeable drone. Mine used to have no torque either but kept getting better up to around 500 hrs,

 

[Chuckie]

Can any recent 6125R users/owners comment on a couple of things for me? I had one on loan for a couple of weeks 12 months ago and broadly agree with the OP's opinions, however there were two negatives that really stuck out. One was the particulate filter regeneration, which made such a drone in the exhaust it resonated the whole cab to the point I found it intolerable to be in there. The other was the torque curve, which went off a cliff as soon as the engine dropped out of boost pulling up a steep hill with a load.
Now the tractor I had was a very early one and I've been assured the exhaust drone was something amis. The inability to lug though appears to be common right across the 6R range judging by the comments on here?

The engine note does change slightly during a burn out, but most people probably wouldn't notice. Not much torque under 1500 revs, but you soon get used to it. Performs remarkably well on the road if you give it plenty of shoe

 

[Blue.]

A local contractor has just swapped in 4 12 month old masseys for jds with autoquad,he wanted to like the masseys but it never happened.

 

[sleepy]

@SRRCI wonder are fendt always that far out on price or did they just not want the trade in.

If the JD had been specced up with autopower, command arm, front linkage, 4 electric spools, etc, would it really have been that much more expensive?

 

[Jim B]

Deutz about to start making C-Shift models, basically an automated version of the same gearbox. 3 year warranty on say powertrain be a lot less than £4,500!

 

[Daniel]

If the JD had been specced up with autopower, command arm, front linkage, 4 electric spools, etc, would it really have been that much more expensive?

I think the power spec one he quoted is the base model so not sure if it would have all the front links/spools etc?

When I priced most of the above back in Jan the Fendt was a lot more, my Case is specced to the same level as a Fendt 514 profi inc varioguide, what's the Fendt going to be on farm, £105k? Over £30k more, which is a lot for marginally better fit and finish.

Plus the dealer wasn't interested in selling us a Fendt, just wanted to push the Massy 6616.

 

[Blue.]

I think the power spec one he quoted is the base model so not sure if it would have all the front links/spools etc?

When I priced most of the above back in Jan the Fendt was a lot more, my Case is specced to the same level as a Fendt 514 profi inc varioguide, what's the Fendt going to be on farm, £105k? Over £30k more, which is a lot for marginally better fit and finish.

Plus the dealer wasn't interested in selling us a Fendt, just wanted to push the Massy 6616.

When I priced in January I could have a 514profi for early 80s,I doubt varioguide would add £20/£23k.

 

[Daniel]

When I priced in January I could have a 514profi for early 80s,I doubt varioguide would add £20/£23k.

I didn't actually price the Fendt, due to the unhelpfulness of the dealer, just took an ex demo value at the time.

Varioguide would add £8-9k? So the Fendt is just over £20k more?

 

[Blue.]

I didn't actually price the Fendt, due to the unhelpfulness of the dealer, just took an ex demo value at the time.

Varioguide would add £8-9k? So the Fendt is just over £20k more?

Yep.

My mf/fendt dealer didn't want to sell me a massey,I'm still waiting for a massey to come off another mf dealer,I don't think it will appear.

 

[Daniel]

Yep.

My mf/fendt dealer didn't want to sell me a massey,I'm still waiting for a massey to come off another mf dealer,I don't think it will appear.

They obviously have you down as a premium farmer and me as a commoner!

 

[kiwi pom]

If the JD had been specced up with autopower, command arm, front linkage, 4 electric spools, etc, would it really have been that much more expensive?

Hear that argument a lot, the fendt has more standard equipment so you have to spec your JD, Massey, Valtra etc up to compare, but what if you don't need all that stuff. The op has ordered what he needs to do the job and the fendt cant get close on price because they don't do a more basic model.

 

[kneedeep]

You say you really like the Sisu engine in the massey , have a look at Valtra . you could be surprised.

+1
Just have to do your homework re. transmission options
There seems to be more than enough to satisfy every option