NHS worse than farmers for moaning........

[Yale]

Is it me or have the NHS and its staff overtaken farmer for moaning about cuts and funding.

With record levels of funding they still cannot seem to deliver and constantly are moaning in the media.

Having dealt with the NHS over the last couple of years with a family health issue there seems to be massive waste and lack of joined up thinking,shambolic at times.

I will add there are large numbers of dedicated staff who do an excellent job however there are also a great deal who only seem to be there for the wage packet.

 

[S J H]

They'd be better off letting people pay for private GPs, but I don't expect anyone can suggest it, because the BBC will accuse them of privatising the Jewel in our crown.

 

[RobFZS]

I think it's more the BBC is digging in to fill airtime at the moment, you won't find many public service employees shouting they're being paid too much, tbf everyone moans about their job and how much they should be getting paid

The NHS is a special case, it will never ever have all the money it needs, labour swizzed it by funding it via pfi, so the mess never went away.

 

[Grassman]

My daughter in law is a go working for the nhs.
She was a staunch supporter of a public nhs but now can see no other way but for most of it to be privatised and us all to have insurance.
The nhs was never designed to be coping for the vast increase in population and the amount of old people.
There will be massive changes soon!

 

[slackjawedyokel]

My wife works in the NHS, dealing primarily with the children of adults towards the lower end of the socioeconomic scale(I get told off for calling them Proles). The waste is fantastic at times. Her patients have complex needs so appointments are very long; often only four or six appts per day. Commonly half or more don't attend so my wife and other staff are left twiddling their thumbs (unfortunately my wife can't get on with dictation etc at these times as she's often doing clinics away from her usual hospital so resources (IT, notes etc) aren't available). She can't just discharge non-attendees as that would disadvantage the kids not their feckless parents. Sometimes further resources are spent getting social workers to handhold the family to get to the next appointment.
I'd say we should all pay a nominal fee (£10 to £20) per doctors/hospital appointment because the problem with having a free NHSmeans it's not valued. I suspect the worst offenders in missing appointments would be eligible for free NHS appointments tho...

 

[Grassman]

My wife works in the NHS, dealing primarily with the children of adults towards the lower end of the socioeconomic scale(I get told off for calling them Proles). The waste is fantastic at times. Her patients have complex needs so appointments are very long; often only four or six appts per day. Commonly half or more don't attend so my wife and other staff are left twiddling their thumbs (unfortunately my wife can't get on with dictation etc at these times as she's often doing clinics away from her usual hospital so resources (IT, notes etc) aren't available). She can't just discharge non-attendees as that would disadvantage the kids not their feckless parents. Sometimes further resources are spent getting social workers to handhold the family to get to the next appointment.
I'd say we should all pay a nominal fee (£10 to £20) per doctors/hospital appointment because the problem with having a free NHSmeans it's not valued. I suspect the worst offenders in missing appointments would be eligible for free NHS appointments tho...

They pay a fee for the prescription so why not the doctors appointment!

 

[RobFZS]

They pay a fee for the prescription so why not the doctors appointment!

20 quid it cost me for a 5 min dental checkup today! the only issue i see with charging for doc appointments is, all the people would just go to A&E instead

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

20 quid it cost me for a 5 min dental checkup today! the only issue i see with charging for doc appointments is, all the people would just go to A&E instead

About the same as a good solicitor . They do a job we can't do but it's a captive market so name their price .

 

[Grassman]

20 quid it cost me for a 5 min dental checkup today! the only issue i see with charging for doc appointments is, all the people would just go to A&E instead

Same there then. £20 a time

 

[Still Farming]

If you are ill abroad you get asked FIRST -How are you going to pay ?
By card
By cash
By Insurance ?
You will not be seen otherwise.

There is usually a price list tariff about too that shows you their charges.

I Bet you Casualty will empty quickly ???

 

[slackjawedyokel]

I don't think the NHS should be privatised, but maybe a small non-refundable fee on making an appointment would reduce the Did Not Attends.

 

[Still Farming]

They try to get money back from "overseas"? Visitors but how many pay or use for FREE ???

 

[multi power]

My wife works in the NHS, dealing primarily with the children of adults towards the lower end of the socioeconomic scale(I get told off for calling them Proles). The waste is fantastic at times. Her patients have complex needs so appointments are very long; often only four or six appts per day. Commonly half or more don't attend so my wife and other staff are left twiddling their thumbs (unfortunately my wife can't get on with dictation etc at these times as she's often doing clinics away from her usual hospital so resources (IT, notes etc) aren't available). She can't just discharge non-attendees as that would disadvantage the kids not their feckless parents. Sometimes further resources are spent getting social workers to handhold the family to get to the next appointment.
I'd say we should all pay a nominal fee (£10 to £20) per doctors/hospital appointment because the problem with having a free NHSmeans it's not valued. I suspect the worst offenders in missing appointments would be eligible for free NHS appointments tho...

You have hit nail on head there, NHS is not valued by so many

 

[Still Farming]

NHS is fantastic ; their'll just F it all up in the end ???

 

[Happy]

EU working time directive has a lot to do with it.
That's where all the current problems stem from. There is just not the junior doctors on the ground to get the work done anymore. They are on the payroll as before but not getting through the work putting more strain on everyone else that is.

Yes there is waste. The brightest minds in the NHS are not in management. Those roles are filled by nurses that have reached the top banding with nowhere else to go. Many are not cut out for it so surround themselves with a protective layer of middle managers to deflect flak & slow up having to make tough decisions.

The moaning right now is justified though. I think many farmers would be shocked at the amount of work & various strands to the job NHS staff have on their plates day in day out. A lot farmers seem to feel they have some sort of monopoly on hard work which in many cases is just down to ignorance.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Wifey just home from work; a very early finish.

 

[mo!]

There are many problems: wastage, my brother in law (an A&E nurse) was put on light duties after illness and tasked with making procurement savings. He was averaging 10k per day, and that was just his ward.

Old people, a friend is a consultant who was tasked to look at savings. He says they spend an enormous amount on treating people who are about to die and should not be in hospital but have been sent in from nervous care and nursing homes. He said that fixing that one issue would solve *all* their funding problems.

Sick. The way the NHS deals with sick pay is criminal. The employees play the system to the nth degree, no other employer would go to the lengths to keep staff and it costs.

 

[Barleycorn]

I've said it before, they are looking down the wrong end of the gun re NHS funding. They spend £20 billion a year treating obesity and diabetes, diseases closely linked with nutrition. The nutrient density of our food is a fraction of what it was 50 years ago. Our soils are depleted. So take some of the £20 billion and subsidise food produced by traditional farming methods, bringing livestock back on farms. Healthy soils, healthy plants, healthy people, something that has been forgotten.

 

[mo!]

I've said it before, they are looking down the wrong end of the gun re NHS funding. They spend £20 billion a year treating obesity and diabetes, diseases closely linked with nutrition. The nutrient density of our food is a fraction of what it was 50 years ago. Our soils are depleted. So take some of the £20 billion and subsidise food produced by traditional farming methods, bringing livestock back on farms. Healthy soils, healthy plants, healthy people, something that has been forgotten.

Define nutrient.

 

[Grain Buyer]

I've said it before, they are looking down the wrong end of the gun re NHS funding. They spend £20 billion a year treating obesity and diabetes, diseases closely linked with nutrition. The nutrient density of our food is a fraction of what it was 50 years ago. Our soils are depleted. So take some of the £20 billion and subsidise food produced by traditional farming methods, bringing livestock back on farms. Healthy soils, healthy plants, healthy people, something that has been forgotten.

doubt the way we farm has anything to do with how many McDonalds, Energy drinks, Pizza and chocolate a lot of people are eating!

My mother was in A&E the other day, and a woman had brought her kid in to see a doctor as she was worried she'd cut the kids finger nails too short!!

I booked an emergency appointment with my GP the other day as my son's big toe was nearly twice the size and dark purple. Got a 4pm appointment so picked him up from school, straight to clinic, took his shoe and sock off.....nothing wrong, no swelling, no colour change! Felt like a right plum.