NI RHI scheme debacle.

[johnspeehs]

I know its a subject no one wants to talk about but do any of you in the uk scheme think there could be fall out from this for you? For any of you who don't follow it the tariff has been cut to about £2300 a year for a 99kw boiler, a rate that is unsustainable. they say that's all they can give us to keep in line with European guidelines on how much return you can earn on your investment(12%) seemingly. Given the rate of tariff available in the mainland scheme something dosent add up, some ones got their sums wrong.
Btw i'm on the tiered scheme and have been getting similar payments to the uk scheme and haven't been claiming huge sums but my tariff has been cut to the same rate as everyone else.
If they can do it to us whats to stop them doing it to you????

 

[akaPABLO01]

I know its a subject no one wants to talk about but do any of you in the uk scheme think there could be fall out from this for you? For any of you who don't follow it the tariff has been cut to about £2300 a year for a 99kw boiler, a rate that is unsustainable. they say that's all they can give us to keep in line with European guidelines on how much return you can earn on your investment(12%) seemingly. Given the rate of tariff available in the mainland scheme something dosent add up, some ones got their sums wrong.
Btw i'm on the tiered scheme and have been getting similar payments to the uk scheme and haven't been claiming huge sums but my tariff has been cut to the same rate as everyone else.
If they can do it to us whats to stop them doing it to you????

Unfortunately, the Irish didn’t install take up degression triggers. They had the blueprint but didn’t do anything about it. In fact didn’t some of the mps over at the dup jump on the dash for the cash when you produce ash. Lol, real cluster tuck. It was like watching lord of the flies in real time lol. The RHI put got spent quicker then the £5 billion back hander for votes. Lmao

 

[johnspeehs]

Just for the record the RHI pot didn't get spent, infact only half the money allocated to the scheme will now be used with the rest being returned to Westminster. As far as im aware it was £1 billion not £5 billion that the DUP got.

 

[akaPABLO01]

Just for the record the RHI pot didn't get spent, infact only half the money allocated to the scheme will now be used with the rest being returned to Westminster. As far as im aware it was £1 billion not £5 billion that the DUP got.

And here’s me thinking it was the Irish that couldn’t count.../sarcasm

I’m only pulling your leg, so come on fill us in with all the gory RHI news, are full scale audits sweeping across the country or did they just reset all tariffs?

 

[rogeriko]

Everything you needed to know. 37 minutes from BBC radio 4 all about the RHI. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00013rf

 

[thesilentone]

As long as the Conservatives need the DUP votes, the NI RHI issue will remain in the long grass. The administration (or lack of) of the scheme has turned real benefits for a Government without majority.

 

[Bob]

I'm not really up to speed with the RHI issues in Northern Ireland, is it dramatically different to England Wales and Scotland.?

I know some around here are heating buildings for absolutely no need just to claim payments. Are they cutting tariff for existing installations or just new?

 

[thesilentone]

I'm not really up to speed with the RHI issues in Northern Ireland, is it dramatically different to England Wales and Scotland.?

I know some around here are heating buildings for absolutely no need just to claim payments. Are they cutting tariff for existing installations or just new?

much more fun than that: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301428

 

[Digester Man]

The RHI has been killed in NI. It’s an illegal and disgraceful thing to do and has been rammed through Westminster without any form of scrutiny. How can we ever trust the government again? We always knew they were a shower of barstewards but nobody could have foreseen this level of a breach of trust.

And yes we installed an RHI boiller, it runs at about 25% capacity, it cost £50k to install and we now stand to collect £2k a year in subsidy. It costs more than that to service and maintain it because it is so fickle to keep running. We took delivery of our last load of pellets just before this got announced last week, and will be reverting back to heating oil once the pellets run out. The boiler will be going up for sale to the highest bidder, and I suspect half the country will be doing the same.

Scandalous

 

[Cosatto]

The RHI has been killed in NI. It’s an illegal and disgraceful thing to do and has been rammed through Westminster without any form of scrutiny. How can we ever trust the government again? We always knew they were a shower of barstewards but nobody could have foreseen this level of a breach of trust.

And yes we installed an RHI boiller, it runs at about 25% capacity, it cost £50k to install and we now stand to collect £2k a year in subsidy. It costs more than that to service and maintain it because it is so fickle to keep running. We took delivery of our last load of pellets just before this got announced last week, and will be reverting back to heating oil once the pellets run out. The boiler will be going up for sale to the highest bidder, and I suspect half the country will be doing the same.

Scandalous

Surely it warrants a legal challenge pehaps with NI NFU support to at least ensure that it does not encourage people to go back to oil which it looks like many are considering.

Personally I think the RHI scheme was dreamt up by muppets - fcs I have to meet minimal insulation standards for solar panel fit but for a subsidised heating system there is not such requirement - bonkers!

 

[jcb360]

As usual, if it's open to abuse, the system will be abused by those who saw the scheme as an easy way to make a quick buck.

Did anyone honestly think that the scheme would be allowed to carry on given the fact that there were installations where the boiler was heating cow sheds and suchlike? If the ROI is 12% then that seems fair.....Unfortunately the pellet suppliers unsurprisingly have been increasing the price of pellets which will obviously have a negative effect on ROI.

At least if you have a wind turbine or solar install you don't have any fuel to purchase! Only thing outwith your control is the cost of maintenance and repairs.......and in the case of turbines this is proving to be an expensive cost for many owners.

As with any investment, renewables are not without risk.

 

[40 series]

See ad plants are now being audited as well

 

[40 series]

In ni

 

[cornishking]

The rhi was designed to meet emission targets set bythe kyoto treaty. Apparently the payments for the rhi were less than the penalties if the emission targets were not met. If the incentive is lost and the majority returns back to burning fossil fuels would NI be subject to penalties (having to buy carbon credits) because they are no longer meeting their emission targets?

 

[jcb360]

The rhi was designed to meet emission targets set bythe kyoto treaty. Apparently the payments for the rhi were less than the penalties if the emission targets were not met. If the incentive is lost and the majority returns back to burning fossil fuels would NI be subject to penalties (having to buy carbon credits) because they are no longer meeting their emission targets?

It appears that emissions are not something that the powers that be worry to much about in NI:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45643031

If they don't bother testing diesel vehicles then I don't think they will worry too much about the decommissioning of a few RHI boilers! Thousands and thousands of cars driving around in NI with the DPF removed and the "government" turn a blind eye......

 

[cornishking]

It appears that emissions are not something that the powers that be worry to much about in NI:
Oh OK, I suppose I'm quite nieve. Why doesn't N have to comply like the rest of us?
Quite shocked to be honest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45643031

If they don't bother testing diesel vehicles then I don't think they will worry too much about the decommissioning of a few RHI boilers! Thousands and thousands of cars driving around in NI with the DPF removed and the "government" turn a blind eye......

 

[cornishking]

Quite shocked to be honest

 

[Digester Man]

It appears that emissions are not something that the powers that be worry to much about in NI:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45643031

If they don't bother testing diesel vehicles then I don't think they will worry too much about the decommissioning of a few RHI boilers! Thousands and thousands of cars driving around in NI with the DPF removed and the "government" turn a blind eye......

Government you say. Which one would that be now.

The country is a joke!

 

[johnspeehs]

As usual, if it's open to abuse, the system will be abused by those who saw the scheme as an easy way to make a quick buck.

Did anyone honestly think that the scheme would be allowed to carry on given the fact that there were installations where the boiler was heating cow sheds and suchlike? If the ROI is 12% then that seems fair.....Unfortunately the pellet suppliers unsurprisingly have been increasing the price of pellets which will obviously have a negative effect on ROI.

At least if you have a wind turbine or solar install you don't have any fuel to purchase! Only thing outwith your control is the cost of maintenance and repairs.......and in the case of turbines this is proving to be an expensive cost for many owners.

As with any investment, renewables are not without risk.

Yes your right ppl heating empty sheds etc should never have been allowed into the scheme in the first place but thats not the fault of the people who joined with a genuine need for heat, thats down to the setting up of the scheme. Now ppl like myself who used the scheme as it was intended are left with a huge amount of debt and no way of paying it off. Our first minister wrote to all the banks saying the tariff was Grandfathered and even if there were any reviews the tariff wouldnt change for the life of the scheme but they just ripped that letter up it seems. Maybe some one who knows could explain how a rate of return of 12% can be achieved in ROI and GB with yearly payments of 18k to 20K but we are now on 2k per year and we are being told that its a 12% return??
In my case i was on the tiered scheme, the same rate as GB and certainly wasnt making money out of it but a 2k per year tariff isn't sustainable, after wednesdays cuts I get no more payments until june 2020 but in the mean time my bank repayments and servicing are 30k, i dont have that kind of money kicking about and will find it a real struggle.

 

[johnspeehs]

The rhi was designed to meet emission targets set bythe kyoto treaty. Apparently the payments for the rhi were less than the penalties if the emission targets were not met. If the incentive is lost and the majority returns back to burning fossil fuels would NI be subject to penalties (having to buy carbon credits) because they are no longer meeting their emission targets?

Yes we are heading for big fines but the ppl in our assembly are so concerned with trying to take the heat off themselves by trying to shift the blame on to the genuine claimants of the scheme they dont seem to worry about that. After what they have done with RHI i think they will find it very hard to meet their targets because no one here would touch any renewables incentives they come up with with a barge pole.