NVZ derogation Wales

[Bald Rick]

Stupidity of farming by date being shown up by these NVZ rules. We are too busy trying to collect maize without making a mess to spread and it will be at least 6 weeks before the land is at field capacity (& guaranteed to be on Jan 15th).
Hearing a rumour that there may be a countrywide derogation but failing that, how easy is it to apply? Could do with a week really

 

[vantage]

Stupidity of farming by date being shown up by these NVZ rules. We are too busy trying to collect maize without making a mess to spread and it will be at least 6 weeks before the land is at field capacity (& guaranteed to be on Jan 15th).
Hearing a rumour that there may be a countrywide derogation but failing that, how easy is it to apply? Could do with a week really

It’s all rather silly. Not being able to complete a system, despite starting in good time, through supply delays, is testing to say the least.

 

[Headless chicken]

Stupidity of farming by date being shown up by these NVZ rules. We are too busy trying to collect maize without making a mess to spread and it will be at least 6 weeks before the land is at field capacity (& guaranteed to be on Jan 15th).
Hearing a rumour that there may be a countrywide derogation but failing that, how easy is it to apply? Could do with a week really

I suspect, unless they’ve grown some brains all of a sudden you will have no chance as they’ll want to see p’s of 1’s or some other madness.

 

[Wombat]

Welcome to the world we have been in for 25years

 

[Will Blackburn]

It’s not about field capacity, more about capacity to make use of the mobile N elements. I dare say grass would be making decent use of applied N, not sure about maize stubble.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I believe today is the stop day for slurry application.

 

[Bald Rick]

So far over 800 farms have applied for a derogation
Hoping to take 6th cut as our grass never stops growing here.

 

[vantage]

So far over 800 farms have applied for a derogation
Hoping to take 6th cut as our grass never stops growing here.

It may be growing, but it won’t grow as fast with no slurry!

 

[vantage]

So far over 800 farms have applied for a derogation
Hoping to take 6th cut as our grass never stops growing here.

How easy is it to get a derogation?

 

[Bald Rick]

How easy is it to get a derogation?

Don't know. I'll ring them later but no doubt won't speak to the right person.

I also think there will be a lot of reporting going on (as there was last year) so have to play it by the book

 

[Bald Rick]

It’s not about field capacity, more about capacity to make use of the mobile N elements. I dare say grass would be making decent use of applied N, not sure about maize stubble.

Not for maize stubble. We are just busy harvesting that rather than pumping

On Field Capacity, although we farm free draining land, by January - if the weather follows a similar pattern to last year - the land may be too statured to travel without making a mess. It would be far better if they left it to common sense. But that will never happen

 

[crashbox]

Stupidity of farming by date being shown up by these NVZ rules. We are too busy trying to collect maize without making a mess to spread and it will be at least 6 weeks before the land is at field capacity (& guaranteed to be on Jan 15th).
Hearing a rumour that there may be a countrywide derogation but failing that, how easy is it to apply? Could do with a week really

You are saying what those of us in NVZs (55% of England) have been saying for years.

 

[Bald Rick]

You are saying what those of us in NVZs (55% of England) have been saying for years.

Then they need to start to listen. Weather patterns appear to be changing substantially and the rules as framed are not fit for purposes.
Then again, we seem to be lumbered with clowns for politicians these days.

 

[Sylution]

How many have emptied their laggon/pit/towers in the last few days? With 30ml of rain here last night and more heavy rain/showers forecast today. Farming by date is a great idea. I totally get the need for change and some sort of storage requirement, but say now we have a week/10 day dry weather window soon, the slurry rushed out last weekend would have been better waited. Most if not all farmers want best use of slurry, and applying in a dry weather window is better than pressured by date. Grass is definitely growing now with the mild weather mind.

 

[davidroberts30]

How many have emptied their laggon/pit/towers in the last few days? With 30ml of rain here last night and more heavy rain/showers forecast today. Farming by date is a great idea. I totally get the need for change and some sort of storage requirement, but say now we have a week/10 day dry weather window soon, the slurry rushed out last weekend would have been better waited. Most if not all farmers want best use of slurry, and applying in a dry weather window is better than pressured by date. Grass is definitely growing now with the mild weather mind.

i was back to about 18/20% capacity 2 weeks ago

 

[Ffermer Bach]

How many have emptied their laggon/pit/towers in the last few days? With 30ml of rain here last night and more heavy rain/showers forecast today. Farming by date is a great idea. I totally get the need for change and some sort of storage requirement, but say now we have a week/10 day dry weather window soon, the slurry rushed out last weekend would have been better waited. Most if not all farmers want best use of slurry, and applying in a dry weather window is better than pressured by date. Grass is definitely growing now with the mild weather mind.

I mentioned to the plumber yesterday that we were now not allowed to spread slurry until next year, he said, that would explain why the two large dairy farms next door to him were spreading until about 9 30 pm, and as you said, poured down last night.

 

[RJ1]

How many have emptied their laggon/pit/towers in the last few days? With 30ml of rain here last night and more heavy rain/showers forecast today. Farming by date is a great idea. I totally get the need for change and some sort of storage requirement, but say now we have a week/10 day dry weather window soon, the slurry rushed out last weekend would have been better waited. Most if not all farmers want best use of slurry, and applying in a dry weather window is better than pressured by date. Grass is definitely growing now with the mild weather mind.

Sitting in the utv bringing cows back in thinking exactly the same. Isn't it great we have these water regulations to protect the rivers!

Utterly ridiculous and, sadly, predictable. I'm pretty glad that they are proving to be such a disaster in the first year. It might bring about change from the review earlier. Having said that, the Govt statement was two pages of waffle that amounted to nothing particularly helpful.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Sitting in the utv bringing cows back in thinking exactly the same. Isn't it great we have these water regulations to protect the rivers!

Utterly ridiculous and, sadly, predictable. I'm pretty glad that they are proving to be such a disaster in the first year. It might bring about change from the review earlier. Having said that, the Govt statement was two pages of waffle that amounted to nothing particularly helpful.

I don't want to be pessimistic, but whenever dogma comes up against reality, entrenched ideas always seem to win, especially when it Labour in the Senedd.

 

[Bald Rick]

For info from Welsh Farming Minister, Mr Irranka-Davis

 

[Bald Rick]

I emailed NRW contact yesterday and received a reply this morning ... basically, tough titty
Therefore, given the letter above, I intend to email the ranker tomorrow with my concerns about Farming by date.
I expect no reply or actions but a fume is better than no fume