NZ suffolks.

[MrFencer]

Thinking about using these on a cheviot mules to and selling the Suffolk x gimmers as breeders.

Want are people thoughts on the NZ suffolks.

 

[David.]

That quite a lot of them look like the residue of a UK Suffolk breeders shearlings, after many buyers have had their pick...

 

[spin cycle]

had one....died....overall verdict..meh

 

[Bones]

Life's to short

 

[Bill dog]

Well I’ve used them and like them. From @easyram1 , and the tups last, and the lambs grow well. Just for a bit of balance on the thread !

 

[Woolless]

Well I’ve used them and like them. From @easyram1 , and the tups last, and the lambs grow well. Just for a bit of balance on the thread !

And to be fair, I would guess that many mentioned on here would be 'NZ Suffolks' rather than the genuine article as supplied by @easyram1.

 

[M-J-G]

They seem ok from what I've seen, if you want a Suffolk you either buy an NZ type or go to someone who had the wit not to breed what most breeders did in breeding big concrete headed donkeys that ruined the name and the breed.

 

[easyram1]

Well I’ve used them and like them. From @easyram1 , and the tups last, and the lambs grow well. Just for a bit of balance on the thread !

Thank you Mr Billdog

 

[easyram1]

And to be fair, I would guess that many mentioned on here would be 'NZ Suffolks' rather than the genuine article as supplied by @easyram1.

Thanks very much for pointing that out. I do get a bit heated under the collar when I read about some of the claims for sheep purporting to be NZ Suffolks that definitely are not pure NZ or even Suffolk. We are one 1 of 2 people with Pure NZ Suffolks in the UK and the other flock breeds mainly for their own use. The problem I have is not so much the "Purity" but what these so called NZ Suffolks can do So tonight we have nearly 400 NZ Suffolk ewes lambing outside in the rain.. So I wonder how many pure UK Suffolk or even so called NZ Suffolk breeders in the UK ( or even Texel or Charolais breeders are doing the same thing.) All our ewes have been wintered on Fodder beet and then on grass for the last 12 days and had ZERO concs.

 

[Estate fencing.]

There alright (pm me if you want what I really think). Better option for me is farmerjames suffolks. They are excellent tups, fit, keep condition on, good on there feet, easy lambing and grow well.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Thanks very much for pointing that out. I do get a bit heated under the collar when I read about some of the claims for sheep purporting to be NZ Suffolks that definitely are not pure NZ or even Suffolk. We are one 1 of 2 people with Pure NZ Suffolks in the UK and the other flock breeds mainly for their own use. The problem I have is not so much the "Purity" but what these so called NZ Suffolks can do So tonight we have nearly 400 NZ Suffolk ewes lambing outside in the rain.. So I wonder how many pure UK Suffolk or even so called NZ Suffolk breeders in the UK ( or even Texel or Charolais breeders are doing the same thing.) All our ewes have been wintered on Fodder beet and then on grass for the last 12 days and had ZERO concs.

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

 

[bendigeidfran]

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

For those of us that do lamb outside i would have thought it's to breed a more weatherproof ram, i dont want to have to bring ewes and lambs in because of rain.

 

[Stockwell]

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

Probably because the Easyram1 customers will be lambing outside in general, so they want the tips bred in the same way

 

[Bill dog]

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

Eh? Because it rains here occasionally, gets cold often, and I want the lambs to do as their father has done. Which is survive in real life conditions and grow on grass, not survive on a combination of hard feeding and heat lamps !

 

[Fat Lamb]

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

The advantage is that you'd hope to find the lambs up and suckled with full bellies as opposed to finding them hungry, half-starved, cold or even dead.

 

[farmer james]

There alright (pm me if you want what I really think). Better option for me is farmerjames suffolks. They are excellent tups, fit, keep condition on, good on there feet, easy lambing and grow well.

Thank you for the recommendation @Electricfencer, it is always good to hear the tups are performing well after they have left my farm, as that is far more important than how they look on the day I sell them.
FJ

 

[R.Dutchman]

Thanks very much for pointing that out. I do get a bit heated under the collar when I read about some of the claims for sheep purporting to be NZ Suffolks that definitely are not pure NZ or even Suffolk. We are one 1 of 2 people with Pure NZ Suffolks in the UK and the other flock breeds mainly for their own use. The problem I have is not so much the "Purity" but what these so called NZ Suffolks can do So tonight we have nearly 400 NZ Suffolk ewes lambing outside in the rain.. So I wonder how many pure UK Suffolk or even so called NZ Suffolk breeders in the UK ( or even Texel or Charolais breeders are doing the same thing.) All our ewes have been wintered on Fodder beet and then on grass for the last 12 days and had ZERO concs.

I get a little heated under the collar when my flock of suffolks are branded as 'fake NZ' because some have 25 - 50%nz genetics in some, like many others I run a commercial flock in commercial conditions to breed a type of ram I am happy to use and sell.

 

[easyram1]

For a terminal sire that you want to put shape and a tight skin into lambs from a maternal breed. What's the advantage of being born outside in the rain?

Because that's what our customers like 280 Suffolks/Sufftex S rams sold to 155 clients in 2020.

 

[jamesy]

Thanks very much for pointing that out. I do get a bit heated under the collar when I read about some of the claims for sheep purporting to be NZ Suffolks that definitely are not pure NZ or even Suffolk. We are one 1 of 2 people with Pure NZ Suffolks in the UK and the other flock breeds mainly for their own use. The problem I have is not so much the "Purity" but what these so called NZ Suffolks can do So tonight we have nearly 400 NZ Suffolk ewes lambing outside in the rain.. So I wonder how many pure UK Suffolk or even so called NZ Suffolk breeders in the UK ( or even Texel or Charolais breeders are doing the same thing.) All our ewes have been wintered on Fodder beet and then on grass for the last 12 days and had ZERO concs.

How many generations of NZ Suffolk’s have you bred now?

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

The advantage is that you'd hope to find the lambs up and suckled with full bellies as opposed to finding them hungry, half-starved, cold or even dead.

I would have thought those traits should come from the maternal side whereas the sire should bring better shape etc to add value to the lambs