Oil - genuine vs non genuine

[livestock 1]

Someone might want to check this because I don’t know but this appears to have been made to replace hytran
They even have the Blackcurrant in it
Might be the early hytran though

 

[mobileweld]

pretty sure thurlow nunn standens branded oil is withams. They will happily put that in new masseys. Fendts ect, so it’s clearly good stuff. I’d happily use it.

 

[yellow belly]

witham oil here
it was used by my local new Holland dealer till they were taken over

the rep does an oil survey of all my tractors and recommended which were to be used

 

[benny6910]

I spoke to witham at yams and they said they have a certificate from deutz to say there oil is good to use on deutz engines. I think they said they supply Sam sprayers with oil.

 

[westviewfarm6480]

Theres only 1 brand of lubricants and oils to consider MORRIS. Had bad experience with witham engine oil, put the same grade witham engine oil in a jug next to same grade morris and the witham is like water.

 

[Andy26]

Theres only 1 brand of lubricants and oils to consider MORRIS. Had bad experience with witham engine oil, put the same grade witham engine oil in a jug next to same grade morris and the witham is like water.

Guy uses Morris!

 

[76masseyman]

Guy uses Morris!

So would anyone who gets 30K to promote it !

 

[cormywormy]

As said above I would look at the new oil recommended by CNH multitraction I’m sure Get what you pay for and needed in a machine like it

 

[avag]

Is hytran still used in new CaseIH tractor transmissions? And yet the blue versions have New Holland Ambra..brown coloured oil! Great marketing..of what is just UTTO oil.

No it hasn’t been used since the mx production ended and McCormick used they’re own version

 

[ford 7810]

Just asked for a price for some Hytran oil for our old Quadtrac. Nearly £900 for 205 litres.
We use Witham oil for much of our oil requirements and their equivalent is probably 65% of the price (I'm guessing).
What is the TFF collective view on using equivalent, non OM oils?
I appreciate this will probably end up like a 'remapping' or a 'pickup' thread. ie 50% infavour, 50% against

What specifications Was recommended Originally Witch hydran number does Case tractor dealers still supply it as a genuine product or is it what they but in modern case tractors basically the same as NewHolland.

 

[oilcan]

Theres only 1 brand of lubricants and oils to consider MORRIS. Had bad experience with witham engine oil, put the same grade witham engine oil in a jug next to same grade morris and the witham is like water.

Morris produce the Valtra lubricants,I know of someone who just added cochineal to JDF.

 

[livestock 1]

Morris jdf and hy are different specs of utto
The hy has the case spec numbers on the data sheet as posted above
If the hytran spec numbers are the same as the hy then that would hopefully mean it’s good enough

 

[ford 7810]

Morris produce the Valtra lubricants,I know of someone who just added cochineal to JDF.

Was speaking to Morris oil man at Rickerby spring show (Claas dealer)Claas was on Morris lubricants as genuine,but gone on to Total oils ,I asked him if Claas had gone back on to Morris no rickerby are Morris agents now. But claas UK were quite happy with Morris but Claas European (Germany) made them change.

 

[ford 7810]

There was no genuine oil years ago until manufactures realised there was a lot of money to be made with the word genuine. and they try and blackmail you into using it. we were Agricastral for years then texaco then Total and now Exol, with different degrees of genuine stuff, if a new tractor arrived(blackmail)

 

[yoki]

There was no genuine oil years ago until manufactures realised there was a lot of money to be made with the word genuine. and they try and blackmail you into using it. we were Agricastral for years then texaco then Total and now Exol, with different degrees of genuine stuff, if a new tractor arrived(blackmail)

That may be right in some cases, but there is also the argument that as transmissions and hydraulics especially became much more highly developed, and therefore more sensitive to what was being run in them, the best way to prolong their life and minimise wear and breakages, was to specify precisely what oil needed to be run in them, or if necessary, get it manufactured and sell it under the brand name.

 

[David.]

So long as it is not recycled oil, and has correct specification declaration, surely "Genuine" oil is a spurious term.
They used to claim that Morris's was better when it came out than the Competitions' was before it went in. Which seemed a bit of a stretch.

 

[ford 7810]

That may be right in some cases, but there is also the argument that as transmissions and hydraulics especially became much more highly developed, and therefore more sensitive to what was being run in them, the best way to prolong their life and minimise wear and breakages, was to specify precisely what oil needed to be run in them, or if necessary, get it manufactured and sell it under the brand name.

Yes but surely a specification is a specification and if a certain manufacturer insists on XYZ as long as the lubrication company produces XYZ should be right

 

[Chuckie]

That may be right in some cases, but there is also the argument that as transmissions and hydraulics especially became much more highly developed, and therefore more sensitive to what was being run in them, the best way to prolong their life and minimise wear and breakages, was to specify precisely what oil needed to be run in them, or if necessary, get it manufactured and sell it under the brand name.

So are you saying that "genuine" oil isn't just made by an oil manufacturer and put in a different drum ?

 

[ford 7810]

So long as it is not recycled oil, and has correct specification declaration, surely "Genuine" oil is a spurious term.
They used to claim that Morris's was better when it came out than the Competitions' was before it went in. Which seemed a bit of a stretch.

Funny that (I like Morris oils but don’t use much ) a clutch pack went in a NHst115 I had, a Lloyds mechanic (NH dealer) went nuts when I told him I put Morris JDF in to it . don’t put that shyt in there was his words use multi G, 15 years ago maybe

 

[yoki]

So are you saying that "genuine" oil isn't just made by an oil manufacturer and put in a different drum ?

I'd guess that some are, but possibly not all of them.

It's not difficult to make a slightly different batch of oil during the blending process, so even relatively small quantities of an oil with small but significant differences can be made quite easily.