Oilseed rape profit or loss

[D14]

Interested to hear what people are making or loosing out of growing the crop at the moment and how you are doing it?

 

[franklin]

Last year will have made a loss. Wheat drilled after it looks great though.
This year am expecting, subject to weather, to make a big pile of money.

New seed; expensive spray program; lots of fert; lots of yield; decent price.

At £350/t off the combine including bonuses, I dont think any other combinable crop can touch it for output. And output is what produces gross margin for heavy land winter cropping.

 

[Mr Charisma]

Sold 1,5 ton / acre at average of £310 ,,,,,, plus £27 HOLL bonus plus oil £15 ish , comes to nearly £530 an acre

Costs were seed £35 (I think ,might be out a bit) , sludge £10 , chems £ 85 , fert £ 55

Put in with a one pass system on the trio

A bit of rent but that's very affordable and then there's all the other work but not going to price that up as it's a can of worms

 

[franklin]

It's cracking on this year.

 

[Mr Charisma]

It's cracking on this year.

It certainly is ,,,,, looks the same as our rape

How do my costings stack up then Mr Discharge

 

[franklin]

My costs are going to be truely awful. So far:

50 seeds DK Extrovert
180kg/ha DAP at drilling
Metzachlor peri-em with insecticide
2nd insecticide
Crawler @ 3kg
Autumn teb @ 0.5lt, plus boron.
2.1lt generic Kerb in Jan.
Just had 1.5lt Monkey + boron
200kg/ha Piamon
200kg/ha urea.
Another 200kg/ha urea planned, and will be two fungicides and dessication.
Plus land work.
Plus FBT rent.

I will be disappointed to get less than 4.5t/ha and am usually (not last year) knocking on the door of 5t/ha. At 4.5t/ac thats the best part of £700/ac output including SFP, which is a good £200+ per acre profit. I think a lot to do with the profit on the inputs side comes down to your rent / rental equivalent, and your nitrogen price. My rent is high, but my N was bloomin' cheap this year.

 

[shakerator]

Sold 1,5 ton / acre at average of £310 ,,,,,, plus £27 HOLL bonus plus oil £15 ish , comes to nearly £530 an acre

Costs were seed £35 (I think ,might be out a bit) , sludge £10 , chems £ 85 , fert £ 55

Put in with a one pass system on the trio

A bit of rent but that's very affordable and then there's all the other work but not going to price that up as it's a can of worms

Fert £55??!

 

[Mr Charisma]

Fert £55??!

There or there abouts 55squid an acre
Sludge is also put down in costings which supplies some N and all the P some S is also allowed for

 

[Mr Charisma]

My costs are going to be truely awful. So far:

50 seeds DK Extrovert
180kg/ha DAP at drilling
Metzachlor peri-em with insecticide
2nd insecticide
Crawler @ 3kg
Autumn teb @ 0.5lt, plus boron.
2.1lt generic Kerb in Jan.
Just had 1.5lt Monkey + boron
200kg/ha Piamon
200kg/ha urea.
Another 200kg/ha urea planned, and will be two fungicides and dessication.
Plus land work.
Plus FBT rent.

I will be disappointed to get less than 4.5t/ha and am usually (not last year) knocking on the door of 5t/ha. At 4.5t/ac thats the best part of £700/ac output including SFP, which is a good £200+ per acre profit. I think a lot to do with the profit on the inputs side comes down to your rent / rental equivalent, and your nitrogen price. My rent is high, but my N was bloomin' cheap this year.

Hmmm although I yielded 1.5 ton / acre I was slightly disapointed but it seems I still did fairly well compared to local crops it seems , possibly down to variety
have to say like Static I would hope for a yield nearer the 2 ton mark

 

[franklin]

Unlike wheat, there is more *luck* with OSR. Good looking crops can yield nothing. Scratty crops can do fine. Have had big yields from 4ft high crops and those more like 7ft high!

 

[Feldspar]

I hope OSR will be our most profitable crop this year. We have enough thin wheat that it will bring the average down I'm sure.

Claydon drilled with FSS Elgar (although with Hy-Pro which I would have done without)
125 kg/ha DAP
No insecticides
No pre-em
Kerb plus Proline
Galera plus tiny bit of teb on half / Refinzar in the other half
Total N over the whole season 220 kg/ha (with N bought at 47 p/kg back in June)
May do sclerotinia spray, but hopefully not glyphosate depending on weeds in bottom.

OSR is looking 95% good, although I am a bit worried about late frosts and crop lodging, so may be wrong. And our Elgar looked good last year and ended up not yielding very well.

 

[limestone brash]

My costs are going to be truely awful. So far:

50 seeds DK Extrovert
180kg/ha DAP at drilling
Metzachlor peri-em with insecticide
2nd insecticide
Crawler @ 3kg
Autumn teb @ 0.5lt, plus boron.
2.1lt generic Kerb in Jan.
Just had 1.5lt Monkey + boron
200kg/ha Piamon
200kg/ha urea.
Another 200kg/ha urea planned, and will be two fungicides and dessication.
Plus land work.
Plus FBT rent.

That's a colossal amount of nitrogen going on that rape
I would dare put so much on
Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong

 

[Adeptandy]

Massive loss, drilled it, rolled it, sprayed it twice for CSFB, then Glysphate, then drilled W Barley.

 

[snarling bee]

Massive loss, drilled it, rolled it, slugged it, SLD, pressed and drilled with W oats or W Beans.
Luckily I didn't spray or fert it (the OSR)

 

[franklin]

Your quote is stuck in my quote.

With 30 ish plants per meter it wont go down. Once you combine the normal spreader overlaps - you know, the bits with a good lean - you soon see the potential. I dont think 250kgN in spring is even fully pushing it. I'd drop down to 150kgN in spring......if I could put 60kgN on in autumn.

 

[Derky]

£350 at harvest but half the area failed due to flea beetle so that means we should spread the cost over that and it suddenly doesnt look good.

 

[dontknowanything]

£350 at harvest but half the area failed due to flea beetle so that means we should spread the cost over that and it suddenly doesnt look good.

You spend the same to get your failed crops to July that you do on the crops which exist???

 

[Derky]

No but the hybrid seed, cultivations, flea beetle spray all needs to be factored in.

 

[fudge]

Mine looks like a loss ATM. 25% water logged after fallow. I'm sure it will fill in to a degree but that's a big proportion to be down!

Is the budget yield of OSR really 5 t/ha?

 

[Mr Charisma]

Mine looks like a loss ATM. 25% water logged after fallow. I'm sure it will fill in to a degree but that's a big proportion to be down!

Is the budget yield of OSR really 5 t/ha?

Ten or twelve years ago for us 3.75 t / ha was a very respectable yield but since then we are learning about getting better establishment which I think is the holy grail to better yields and yes we are now looking upon that 5 t/ ha as a achievable figure ,,,,, yes we fell short of it last season but this is another year so another crack at that goal and so far so good ,,,,,,, but hedge to hedge establishment is required to get these yields , and def no water logging ,,, is that due to how the crop was established @fudge

One factor I missed out is CSFB , at the moment it has been controllable ,,,,,, god knows what happens when we get the problems you boys down south get