we are all getting the line, from all involved supplying farming, we are just going to pass it on to you, well that you might , but by heck by not taking a bit of the hit your going to lose out a hell of a lot more, very few people are going to be drawing from me now, if i keep a third less stock this year and go off farm to work which is the way i am thinking at moment, i am not subsidising everyone else while i live in total poverty.