OP Poisoning- Interesting thread on the other side

[KennyO]

http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?21130-O-P-Poisoning

including an interesting link to a claimed destroyed HSE report
http://www.sheepdipsufferers.uk/archives/HSE Report in OP poisoning 1991 and comments.pdf

 

[JD-Kid]

mate got it a few years back just about killed him OP was on seed dressing , he was a sick boy for a long time had to give up farming etc
his wife and mum were even planing the cakes and food for the after match at one stage

 

[JD-Kid]

when i was direct drilling used to use it alot mixed with seed or fert not just dip a day or 2 , weeks of drilling with it

full rates it blew every thing out of the ground one paddock did not see earthworms for years after soon lernt there are some diffrent chems out there a bit better

sheep dippers used to always have new dogs each year

i was drilling in the late 90's think around the time the OP were banned in the UK so a bit in the papers at the time i always thought any thing invented in the 1940's out of germany may not have been agri based if yer get my drift ..

when my mate went to the doc before he said any thing the doc said i know why yer here told him it was OP poisoning he was an ex feild medic with the army and had seen it happen with chem warfair

i know some guys it used to give headaces etc etc others just got a tad cranky fly off the handle at small things ment to work out of the system over time but i'm not totaly sold on that i can smell it before others even at low rates and get a tad touchy if useing it no matter what kinda PPE gear i'm wearing

 

[NZDan]

when i was direct drilling used to use it alot mixed with seed or fert not just dip a day or 2 , weeks of drilling with it

full rates it blew every thing out of the ground one paddock did not see earthworms for years after soon lernt there are some diffrent chems out there a bit better

sheep dippers used to always have new dogs each year

i was drilling in the late 90's think around the time the OP were banned in the UK so a bit in the papers at the time i always thought any thing invented in the 1940's out of germany may not have been agri based if yer get my drift ..

when my mate went to the doc before he said any thing the doc said i know why yer here told him it was OP poisoning he was an ex feild medic with the army and had seen it happen with chem warfair

i know some guys it used to give headaces etc etc others just got a tad cranky fly off the handle at small things ment to work out of the system over time but i'm not totaly sold on that i can smell it before others even at low rates and get a tad touchy if useing it no matter what kinda PPE gear i'm wearing

I'm the same, got a bad dose of it when I was a kid, if I scan dipped sheep I get a hellish headache and the pukes, instant hangover I call it.

 

[llamedos]

http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?21130-O-P-Poisoning

including an interesting link to a claimed destroyed HSE report
http://www.sheepdipsufferers.uk/archives/HSE Report in OP poisoning 1991 and comments.pdf

Tom has spent many years and god know how many hours tirelessly working alongside OP Poisoning sufferers

 

[jamesy]

My grandad drank some dip in the early 90's....... It was in an irnbru bottle (purchased from merchants like that for washing bull) he was thirsty at the time!

Violently sick for a couple of days but other than that fine..... What a spud!

 

[jade35]

This is mentioned in the BFF link - from yesterday's Telegraph - but if you missed the link see below.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11427509/Warning-over-toxic-fumes-in-plane-cabins.html

"Toxic fumes in cabin air pose a health risk to frequent fliers and aircrew, a coroner has said in a landmark report.

Stanhope Payne, the senior coroner for Dorset, said people regularly exposed to fumes circulating in planes faced “consequential damage to their health”.

Mr Payne, who is inquiring into the death of Richard Westgate, a British Airways pilot, called on BA and the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to take “urgent action to prevent future deaths”. Most airline passengers, who fly only occasionally, will not be affected by the problem, but some frequent travellers who are genetically susceptible to the toxins could fall ill.

Mr Payne’s call for urgent action is likely to be welcomed by campaigners who have raised similar concerns for a number of years.

His report, obtained by the Telegraph, is the first official UK recognition of so-called “aerotoxic syndrome”, a phenomenon long denied by airlines but which is blamed by some for the deaths of at least two pilots and numerous other incidents where pilots have passed out in flight. Co-pilots can normally take over, but campaigners claim the syndrome is a suspected cause of some mid-air disasters."


"In his “prevention of future deaths report”, produced last week, the coroner says that examinations of Mr Westgate’s body “disclosed symptoms consistent with exposure to organophosphate compounds in aircraft cabin air”.

In the report, sent to the chief executive of BA and the chief operating officer of the Civil Aviation Authority, the coroner raises five “matters of concern”, including that “organophosphate compounds are present in aircraft cabin air”; that “the occupants of aircraft cabins are exposed to organophosphate compounds with consequential damage to their health” and that “impairment to the health of those controlling aircraft may lead to the death of occupants”. He also says there is no real-time monitoring to detect failures in cabin air quality and that no account is taken by airlines of “genetic variation in the human species that would render individuals … intolerant of the exposure”.

See also these connected articles from same paper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11427400/What-is-aerotoxic-syndrome.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avi...carpet-says-victim-of-aerotoxic-syndrome.html

and from 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/759562/Is-cabin-air-making-us-sick.html

 

[NZDan]

I had a farmer spray scanning crate today with dip before scanning. 5 minutes to nausea, 10 minutes for screaming head ache, puked twice this afternoon.

 

[Kevtherev]

Local farmer near me has suffered the effects of op dip for years.
Also said warble fly dressing was to blame.

 

[neilo]

I had a farmer spray scanning crate today with dip before scanning. 5 minutes to nausea, 10 minutes for screaming head ache, puked twice this afternoon.

Are you intending going back there next year?

I remember doing my ATB course to get a certificate if competence, so that I could still buy dip. I happened to mention that I always felt a bit crock after using dip and he told me, in no uncertain terms, that I should avoid OP's at all costs. It is a cumulative poison, building up in the system over years. He said the headaches were an early warning and I'd be a fool not to take heed.

 

[NZDan]

Are you intending going back there next year?

I remember doing my ATB course to get a certificate if competence, so that I could still buy dip. I happened to mention that I always felt a bit crock after using dip and he told me, in no uncertain terms, that I should avoid OP's at all costs. It is a cumulative poison, building up in the system over years. He said the headaches were an early warning and I'd be a fool not to take heed.

He told me it was disinfectant, next time I'll wash the crate down after its sprayed.