Pedigree cattle breeding

dw123

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Livestock Farmer
So, I've recently delved into the world of dexters, we supply a small farm shop but are also keen to get out showing too.
Having bought 2 cows, and 5 more cattle arriving on the 27th of this month.

The ones we're buying are registered already, and I'm just in the process of registering my 2 girls, I've got my prefix which is quite exciting and makes it seem a bit more real- but i've done some digging and been looking at their pedigrees and seen something which is slightly concerning to me, on the system (which could be wrong!) one of our cows' dad is also showing up as her mums' dad.
Now I know in the world of some pedigrees they do breed back a few generations down but is that not too close, making her completely inbred?

I know incidents happen, bulls jump fences, whatever- it may be fine but it doesn't sit well, I see it as bad on the breeders' part for failing to mention, and it isn't something I'd have knowingly bought if that is the case!
 

muleman

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So, I've recently delved into the world of dexters, we supply a small farm shop but are also keen to get out showing too.
Having bought 2 cows, and 5 more cattle arriving on the 27th of this month.

The ones we're buying are registered already, and I'm just in the process of registering my 2 girls, I've got my prefix which is quite exciting and makes it seem a bit more real- but i've done some digging and been looking at their pedigrees and seen something which is slightly concerning to me, on the system (which could be wrong!) one of our cows' dad is also showing up as her mums' dad.
Now I know in the world of some pedigrees they do breed back a few generations down but is that not too close, making her completely inbred?

I know incidents happen, bulls jump fences, whatever- it may be fine but it doesn't sit well, I see it as bad on the breeders' part for failing to mention, and it isn't something I'd have knowingly bought if that is the case!
Welcome to the world of pedigree breeding...a lot of things dont add up, best not to delve to deeply into it all!
 
Happy days ..... If true , cow is ok etc , not 2 heads/5 legs !!!! .... Just go serious out-cross for a bit !! It's just like Muleman says ; welcome to the world ! ......
 

Treecreeper

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Livestock Farmer
I've always worked on the three generation rule before you cross back. Find an outcross you like, line breeding can emphasise the good points but can go the other way as well.
 

Cowgirl

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ayrshire
Look at it this way - inbreeding is the fastest way to find out if there are deleterious genes in your animal’s genetic background. If the inbred animal is healthy that is reassuring in a way - just breed to an outcross bull.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I sold a shearling ram privately to another breeder last year, having used him on one small bunch first. I have a handful of outstanding lambs by him just now, and wish I'd kept him. His sire and his dam were both by the same ram (mother returned after an ET flush, when I thought she'd already held). I'm not afraid to retain one of those sons, should they keep going like they are.

When it works, it's fine. When it doesn't, you just have to be prepared to cull. I wouldn't look for it in a pedigree, but I wouldn't be unduly concerned either, unless it was to breed with more related animals.
 

Hesstondriver

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Huntingdon
it is only humans that define the rules for inbreeding, we find the question of do i call you daddy or uncle a bit awkward !
in nature, mate selection is general done through power (fighting) or prancing around with a big feathered display (both of which can also be observed on a good night out)
inbreeding consequences are normally selected out by Darwinism - 5 legs & 2 heads you don't survive too long.
 

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