Phosphite stimulant in wheat?

[Farmer Fin]

Unsurprisingly our winter wheat is struggling. It has poor root development and has being suffering from manganese deficiency which we don’t normally get. It’s had manganese and NPKS this spring all ready. T0 is approaching and was contemplating some phosphite in as well as PGR and trace elements.

Any one any experience? Recommendations?

 

[ollie989898]

Unsurprisingly our winter wheat is struggling. It has poor root development and has being suffering from manganese deficiency which we don’t normally get. It’s had manganese and NPKS this spring all ready. T0 is approaching and was contemplating some phosphite in as well as PGR and trace elements.

Any one any experience? Recommendations?

Used to use phostar a fair bit on crops that were struggling. Went in with usual tank mix, IIRC it contained phosphate and phosphite. A dose of gramitrel or MagphosK might also help. Used to hate seeing a crop struggle.

I wouldn't go overboard with the rates, you can also use it again at T1 etc. If you are seeing deficiency you wouldn't normally see then I'd venture it has been wet/tricky and rooting is a bit of a problem.

If it wasn't damp underfoot rolling might also be beneficial but without seeing the crop I'd only be guessing.

 

[teslacoils]

Two approaches - the reality one that says that what the crop needs is some sun on its back and that anything beyond some manganese will really just be lining someone elses pockets and theres nothing really you can do.......but also the pragmatic one which says that while you really know that, you would feel better having done something, and youd sleep better having spent a few £££ in trying to give it a bit of a boost.

 

[ollie989898]

Two approaches - the reality one that says that what the crop needs is some sun on its back and that anything beyond some manganese will really just be lining someone elses pockets and theres nothing really you can do.......but also the pragmatic one which says that while you really know that, you would feel better having done something, and youd sleep better having spent a few £££ in trying to give it a bit of a boost.

Broadly agree. Needs the sun on it's back and the soil to dry out for maximum effect, but I swear I've averted some crops dying with phostar.

 

[Chae1]

Two approaches - the reality one that says that what the crop needs is some sun on its back and that anything beyond some manganese will really just be lining someone elses pockets and theres nothing really you can do.......but also the pragmatic one which says that while you really know that, you would feel better having done something, and youd sleep better having spent a few £££ in trying to give it a bit of a boost.

Completely agree. As a spray contractor/farmer seen it many times.

 

[Farmer Fin]

Two approaches - the reality one that says that what the crop needs is some sun on its back and that anything beyond some manganese will really just be lining someone elses pockets and theres nothing really you can do.......but also the pragmatic one which says that while you really know that, you would feel better having done something, and youd sleep better having spent a few £££ in trying to give it a bit of a boost.

I know. But the sun never seems to want to come out for more than a few hours at a time. Was just wondering if there was any proper evidence before I spend some money to make myself feel better.

 

[ollie989898]

Tell me hand on heart that you wouldn't be pretty keen to put something on this? Crop drilled into absolute gunge which subsequently had the double whammy of a very cold and dry time in the following spring. Fudging stuff was turning purple before my eyes. This is on land that is rammed with more P and K and background fertility than you can shake a stick at. No pre-em or autumn chemistry of any sort, nothing yet applied. What would you guys do?

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think its not just the sun but warmer evenings needed. Personally I'm not fretting, I've got some wheat well ahead and other stuff behind (sat wetter) but a cold spring has never done much harm imv.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

I’ve used it a fair bit, and Im traditionally a late driller after roots.
My experience is that’s its well worth the small cost, based on the logic that a plant with small roots struggles to pull up what it needs for quite a while in the early spring, hence feeding it through the leaves in a very crop available mix gets it going far quicker before the temperatures and roots can do it naturally.
Just my two pence worth and yes I have compared sprayed and non sprayed areas.
I will continue to use it.

 

[teslacoils]

Tell me hand on heart that you wouldn't be pretty keen to put something on this? Crop drilled into absolute gunge which subsequently had the double whammy of a very cold and dry time in the following spring. Fudging stuff was turning purple before my eyes. This is on land that is rammed with more P and K and background fertility than you can shake a stick at. No pre-em or autumn chemistry of any sort, nothing yet applied. What would you guys do?


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Walk it for grass weeds. Cos I'm not tending a field of ryegrass.

Manganese, zinc, ccc. 50kg AN and hope I get to roll it soon.

 

[Chae1]

I know. But the sun never seems to want to come out for more than a few hours at a time. Was just wondering if there was any proper evidence before I spend some money to make myself feel better.

If you want to do something, just do half the field. Let us know the results please.

 

[Farmer Fin]

If you want to do something, just do half the field. Let us know the results please.

No probs. Are you supplying the phosphate?

 

[Chae1]

No probs. Are you supplying the phosphate?

No. You seem to think it will work, so I'll let you fund it. My advice would be don't bother. I've applied miracle cures to failing crops many times and made no difference. What about that seaweed extract in orange tin! It's normally a popular choice.

 

[Chae1]

Here we go. Found some!

 

[farmerm]

Walk it for grass weeds. Cos I'm not tending a field of ryegrass.

Manganese, zinc, ccc. 50kg AN and hope I get to roll it soon.

I rolled some today, probably did more harm than good but there isnt much there to harm... I didnt think I dare leave it any longer as where it is ok it is getting leggy, I fear some might not stand up again!

 

[ridger]

Here we go. Found some!

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I used to use that, never seen much difference to be honest only the crop maybe felt like it was on holiday by the sea

 

[Spencer]

If you want to do something, just do half the field. Let us know the results please.

I did that years ago when Agro was pushing Phorce.. Next visit he commented on the job it had done. Told him I’d only done one field and if he could tell me which. He couldn’t, and no noticeable difference was visible or with the combine. He took the leftover chemical back as promised and never had it on a rec since..

 

[David.]

Used to put Maxicrop on potatoes plenty.
Even if it did the crop no good at all, you could just close your eyes, and imagine yourself at the seaside.

 

[Chae1]

I did that years ago when Agro was pushing Phorce.. Next visit he commented on the job it had done. Told him I’d only done one field and if he could tell me which. He couldn’t, and no noticeable difference was visible or with the combine. He took the leftover chemical back as promised and never had it on a rec since..

Forgot about Phorce! That's another popular one.

 

[Spencer]

Forgot about Phorce! That's another popular one.

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